Hi Berean,

YOU:

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. (Heb.13:8)

He was the image of the invisible God and the reflection of his glory 1)yesterday (eternity past), when He was with God in heaven,

2)when He was on earth “in the flesh”

3)and for eternity.

ME:

Your interpretation, 1. you ignore the surrounding scriptures that giv…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

I believe in the image of the Son according to direct scripture.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the NEW BIRTH when the…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

I am trying to hold you accountable to the sum of all scripture. You can give your belief all you want but you cannot continue saying that it is biblical truth when you aren’t able in the slightest to prove it in the sum of all scripture.

You said that the Son was the worker and the Father was the architect. In the sum of all…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

I have given you scripture that directly proves to you that Jesus was NOT the WORKER, that it was indeed YHVH our Father who was both the architect and the WORKER, where YHVH our Father had then rested from HIS WORK on the 7th day.

Our heavenly Father’s hallowed name is YHVH and there is one YHVH.

Deuteronomy 6: 4 `Hear, O Israel, YHV…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

First off, thanks for continuing the debate!

You are confused by my last post it seems though, with the point I was trying to make. It’s about how one interprets a passage through who they already believe Jesus to be and if it is a passage where Jesus says “I”, then they are interpreting it through who they believe Jesus believes…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Hebrews 4: 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again,…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

It’s all about the truth of who Jesus is, moreover who he knows himself to be. 

“with the glory I had with (para, of/with/from) thee, before the world was.

He knows himself to be the promised Son of Man.

He knows himself to be the promised Son of God according to God’s word unto David, and according to God aboding in him, him being…[Read more]

Hi All,

YHVH promised to crown a man with glory and honor. Jesus was that fulfilled prophecy.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

A man was foreordained to die on a cross and then receive…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

DIA is translated “by” and “through” and it does not only mean “by means of” it also holds the definition of “BY REASON OF“.

Is it possible Berean that our heavenly Father created heaven and earth <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>by reason of and for Jesus Christ?</span>

Did our heavenly Father create earth for it to be inhabited where…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

Thanks for your reply and reading through my post about Philippians 2.

I have more for you on this that I would like for you to consider. An additional passage to then look at my position again.

Deuteronomy 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

It is your interpretation that ” the Word” in John 1:1, 1:14 and Rev 19:13 represents a person, but then in the over 125 other instances it apparently doesn’t, it’s okay in those instances to see “the Word” as representing a person’s actual words, God’s word.

Your proof is extremely week that “the Word” represents a person, it is…[Read more]

Berean, my position is directly from scripture!

Where is the false interpretation exactly?

The resurrected Jesus, in his flesh and bones body as witness to many, had ENTERED the glory to which he preached a number of times, glory unto a Son of Man, to which also we read had been prepared before the world was, this man’s death, his resurrection…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Thanks for providing clarification as to how you see Jesus as God but not the One True God.

YOU:

I SAID THAT HE IS GOD BY NATURE, BECAUSE BEING BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, HE HAS THE SAME DIVINE NATURE AS HIM…

“THE WORD” WAS WITH (THE) GOD AND “THE WORD “ WAS GOD.

UNTIL YOU BELIEVE THIS YOU WILL DISTORTE THE REST OF THE BIBLE

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Hi Danny,

Thanks for your reply! For English not being your native language, I am very impressed with your written English skills!

I hope you don’t mind, but I would like to talk about Philippians 2 before going into John 8:58.

Philippians 2 holds a special place in my heart, I find it extremely impactful, which when it gets misinterpreted the…[Read more]

Carmel,

YOU:

ANSWER PLEASE:

ISN’T “YHVH” THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES?

YES OR NO PLEASE!

DIDN’T THE FATHER GIVE JESUS THE NAME “YHVH” WHICH IS ABOVE ALL NAMES?

ME:

NO Carmel, can you not read the passage to which I already gave you?

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

John 5: 19 THEN answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things so ever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

You ignored my post entirely and didn’t speak to even 1 verse that I provided. Why is that Carmel?

I spoke to John 17:10 but will gladly do it again and once again within the surrounding scriptures.

6 I have manifested THY NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they hav…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

Hold up! Before I get into John 8:58, I am a little puzzled at your response to my last post.

YOU:

I agree with most of your teachings.
Jesus accomplished his mission with the help of God’s spirit.
I totally agree with that.
But the major difference is that I believe that Jesus was God’s Son BEFORE He came to earth as a man…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

You doctrine is truly ridiculous in the face of the sum of all scripture, it’s like you haven’t read through the bible at all yourself, but rather you just have some man’s doctrine you believe in and reference.

YOU:

1 Corinthians 8:6 Yet to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and

one Lord…[Read more]