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2th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2th 2:11 And for this cause God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2th 2:12 That they all may be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Bible Errors

Dogmatic Christians mostly of the charismatic faith strongly warn against new translations of the Bible. They point to omitted or changed text. I have to admit I was one of these in the past. One day on may way home from work, I was listening to a radio minister preaching. The preacher was trying to illustrate something in the Word but parts of it didn’t agree with him. To rectify this he begin to show how the King James Version was a commentary Bible that not all that was written was original. I was stunned and as all things I searched it out for myself. I found that he was telling the truth I have one king James that shows Italics ( ) on some statements and another that doesn’t. Things placed in Italics are commentary the interpreter added it to try to explain his thoughts of the meaning. Those who fear Newer versions are those who did not research the History. Did you know that the Pilgrims fleeing from persecution from King James rejected his Bible as corrupt. These being called separatists refused to worship on Sunday as well. Although historians of the Christian elk try to deny this the Early settlers in America worshiped on the Sabbath (Saturday) unless of course they are the only group of people in the world and in history to call Sunday a Sabbath. I would like to say it was also illegal for some time in America to celebrate Christ-Mass, at least until organized protestants and Catholics came over. Separatists are those who believe the Bible is the final word not Church. If you took away all the service and traditions and symbols that are not mentioned in the word there would be no organized Church. If God didn’t command it then its not of God, if God did command it then it is of God.

Here is an example of commentary

Ro 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
Ro 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

Notice all that is in Italics, Paul did not write this. A scribe wrote this to add their thoughts to its meaning. Read it with just Paul’s writing.

Ro 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven?
Ro 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep?

Easier to understand this way, we cannot say who is saved and who is not! Funny thing is in the book of Revelation you will not find this, because they where afraid to add to that book except a word of praise “Though art rich.” Seeing this I began to search out the origin of scripture. I was even more amazed at what I had found. The new Testament is riddled with additions and errors. There are three famous errors in the New testament.
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1jo 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

This verse is surrounded with controversy; newer versions omit it. The reason is in the first published edition of the Geek New Testament “editio princeps” gathered by Desiderius Erasmus. Erasmus omitted it because it was not found in the vast majority of the Greek texts. HE later under much persecutions published a second edition and added it
In the notes of the new King James it is listed as only found in four later (around eighth century) documents simply put it was not in the older manuscripts of first John it was added by a scribe, John did not write it! Bible scholars call this error the JOHANNINE COMMA. It is defended by Christian historians by declaring that the scribe simply thought John would have said it so it would be ok to add it. The true reason it was added is because throughout the history of the Catholic church the deity of Christ was challenged. I suppose the Catholic church needed to set their pagan doctrine in stone. The very church system who called those who disagreed with them heretics, commit the violist of heresies to corrupt the words of an Apostle. Let me be clear if Jesus the Messiah does not come down and literally choose you. You are not an Apostle!

1jo 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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Mr 16:8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
Mr 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Mr 16:10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. Mr 16:11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
Mr 16:12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
Mr 16:13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
Mr 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
Mr 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mr 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mr 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mr 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Mr 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:9 thru 16:20 These verses plunge the Christian world into what is called the Great commission “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”
It also is the reason for the Pentecostal movement “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues.” There also the beginning the Snake handling churches “They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” Mark didn’t write verses nine thru twenty, they where added by Catholic scribes. The scribes didn’t like how Mark ended his Gospel.

Mr 16:8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

The scribes feared criticism for the Gospel ending so abruptly and thought Mark simply didn’t finish it. Christian historians and Bible scalars defend the added verses by saying they were taken from other Gospels. I wouldn’t want to be the man who decided to add words that the Messiah didn’t say as if he did say them! Look at the confusion of these forged verses.
The great commission
The great commission generated billions of dollars to spread false doctrine around the world. America prides itself thinking it has been formed for this purpose. Paul on the other hand declaired that it was already fulfilled.
Ro 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Ro 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Ro 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Ro 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Seems Paul is convinced that the world already received the Gospel.

Pentecostal
Pentecostal movement are people who believe that the latter-day rain was pored out at what is called the Azusa street revival. Pentecostals believe there must be evidence of speaking in tongues for salvation. I do not deny that the Spirit of God can and has aloud men to speak in other tongues. it’s the unknown tongues that do not make sense.
Ac 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Ac 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Ac 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
Ac 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Ac 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Other tongues is a language of this world, the men herd the language of their own country. This spiritual gift was intended to be a sign and a help to further the Gospel. Pentecostals on the other hand are not speaking a language of this world but some cosmic gibberish no one understands. They say it is the language of the third heaven.

2co 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2co 12:3 And I knew such a man,
2co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

1co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1co 14:10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
1co 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

Snake handlers
These are to me aside from those who prey to the dead one of the most disturbing charismatic movements. They believe similar to the Pentecostals that there must be evidence of salvation. They on the other hand do not stop at tongues but believe one can drink poison and handle rattle snakes. They believe if you are saved the poison and the snake bite will not harm you. Again the gift of protection was for the spreading of the Gospel, paul being saved from the snake bite was so he go on with his ministry. Jesus (Yeshua) was also promised by God the Creator that the Angels will bear him up lest he dash his foot. Satan came to Jesus (Yeshua) to try to get him to tempt God by casting himself from the temple.

Mt 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Mt 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Mt 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
I don’t know about you but the Verses added to Mark 16 have seem to have caused much heresy. If Mark had the Holy Spirit and I believe he did then only his words should be accepted. To allow additions to Marks or any other Apostles writings can only be doctrine of devils.
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The woman taken in adultery

One of the most preached stories of the New Testament is the woman taken in adultery.
The problem with it is it is not in the older manuscripts of John. John did not write it!

Joh 7:52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
Joh 7:53 And every man went unto his own house.
Joh 8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of olives.
Joh 8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Joh 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Joh 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
Joh 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

This story although it is pleasant has a multitude of problems. For one Jesus was inside the Temple there is only one Temple and it was in Jerusalem And it was not aloud that a woman could inter it. If a woman was taken in adultery you can bet she was not taken inside the Temple. In verse 9 it says Jesus was left alone with the woman, then immediately in verse 12 he begain to speak to them again. He was left alone who was he speaking to?

Joh 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Take out all that was added and it fuses together like this.

Joh 7:52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Notice in both the corrupted verses in Mark 16 and the account of the woman taken in adultery that they both have something in common.

Mr 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Joh 8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

I believe the same Scribes
are responsible for both of these false scriptures. Why the cute story of the woman taken in adultery? Historians believe that is was a word of mouth story that Scribes thought should be added. I have demonstrated how the Mark 16 heresies have caused massive false doctrine. How can the woman in adultery hurt anything. Much, Jesus was given all judgment being Elohyim on Earth. This story declairs that Jesus will not judge adultery. If this woman was forgiven by force and not repentance, then all adulterers will not be judged. Seems it was in someone’s interest to justify adultery.

These three errors are not debatable there is not an Bible scalar alive that will tell you they are original. These three are not even debated they are false scripture! Im sure most are shocked by this, but if your preacher went to Bible college he is well aware of this. If your preacher is not aware of this then he does not have the Spirit of truth! If your preacher is aware of it and chooses to preach these three anyway he is of Satan! Satan was a liar from the beginning. It may be they are afraid to tell you, it might challenge your faith in the New Testament. None the less your not being fed.

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Quote (jeff @ Feb. 15 2007,19:57) Deathbed Salvation One of the most common doctrines in the fallen church is deathbed salvation. This doctrine prompts people to be comforted at the last minute salvation of a dieing loved one. This doctrine matches the instant salvation believed by the means of a simple prayer. Deathbed salvation seems to come from the pleasant account found in the gospel of Luke. Luke 23 .39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. 40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Seems simple enough one of the two who was crucified near Messiah received last minute salvation. There is only one problem Luke did not write this! Shocking isn’t it! Take a closer look, I find it amazing that this man knew that the Messiah was not yet in his Kingdom he said “when you come into your Kingdom.” How did he have an understanding of this and the Apostles didn’t? How about the Messiahs reply “Today you will be with me in paradise.” the Messiah was three days and three nights in the Earth before he was resurrected. The crucified Messiah descended to hell not paradise before his resurrection. Hell (death) couldn’t contain him, so he was freed (Resurrected). Acts 2 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;   31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. The Messiah would have been a liar if he told the Thief on the cross next to him they would be in paradise that day. To put the final nail in the in this false doctrine, Luke seems to be the only account that supports it. Matthew 27 .43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.44 The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth. Matthew clearly states that both thieves came against the Messiah on the cross! Mark 15 Mr 15:29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, Mr 15:30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross. Mr 15:31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save. Mr 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. Mark which is the first gospel written agrees with Matthew! John 19 18 Where they crucified him, and two others with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst John doesn’t mention the thieves’ actions. Matthew and Mark are clear both of the men crucified next to the Messiah came against him! Luke’s account on the other hand is found the only evidence of deathbed salvation. So what are we to believe? The key to finding the truth is found in Matthew! 8:16 and again in II Corinthians 13:1. Luke’s account is one witness Matthew and Marks accounts are two witnesses. Mt 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 2co 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. Luke’s account is one witness Matthew and Marks accounts are two witnesses. There is no other evidence of deathbed salvation besides the cross conversion in Luke. There is no deathbed salvation! God can save anyone he pleases but it is not to be believed you will be saved on your deathbed. If your preacher is preaching this false doctrine using Luke’s false account then it is clear he does not have spirit of truth! If one has the Holy spirit he or she cannot believe or remain in a Lie. Mt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mr 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of MEN. I do not beleive in the conversion of the Theif on the cross”He was numbered with the transgressers” If one of them was chosen to be saved then he would have not been called a transgresser. Hi Jeff: Jesus dying between thiefs is symbolic of him dying between those under the law and those who will worship the Anti-Christ.  All of us have been transgressors.  The thief that was saved repented and the other did not. But if any one thinks that they can play God for a fool because it is possible for them to be saved on their deathbed, and they think that they can practice sin thinking that this a good time, and therefore, they will wait until they are ready to die and then repent, they are sadly mistaken. Some one that is doing this will probably die before they have an opportunity to repent. But yes, by virtue of Luke's account of the thief that repented and through what God has taught me in my personal relationship with him, a man can be saved on his deathbed if his repentance is sincere. God Bless

Simply put the four Gospels are now in the cannon of the New Testament but in the Early period Mark was the only Gospel it was about 15 years before the next was written and Luke being the last of this cannon.. Mark is clear both transgressors reviled Him. Unless in a period of three hours the thief mocked him then somehow received greater wisdom then the Apostles ad repented the account in Luke is One of the many additions to the scripture. Mathew, Mark and the Old Testament agree they both reviled him. If I was to say this that the Both thief’s cast the same as the Pharisees at his teeth , or both of them reviled him then which of you can accuse me of lying? If I say that in Luke a thief on the cross who agreed with the Pharisees and mocked the Messiah then repented after displaying a greater understanding then the Apostles how could you challenge this if you hold true to the story in Luke? Sometimes I have seen that some read deeply into scripture looking for symbolism and this symbolism always if you will notice lifts up the ones who believe it a hidden uplifting if you will. I would pray you to first seek whether the Story at question is original or added. Brothers and sisters I have witnessed you that you seeing through the false Trinity and understanding that the Son is not the Father are of the same spirit as I. Please remember what devices the adversary uses Mainly that a Church or denomination has the belief that they are equal to the Apostles in so much that they have put away the script
ure and believe they are the Word of God . Are adversary leads men to believe they have a right to add and remove from scripture as they choose and this has been done from the start and when you confront them they tell you it is true and this is why they say we must let the Church interpret scripture. This one I have brought to your attention the Thief on the Cross believe me I can show you a great deal more, ones that are known yet left in scripture because every generation preached them and doesn’t wont to ripple the water. Please do not be offended.

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The Father son Holy spirit as one is called the Johnnanine Comma and is an 8th centry addition to the bible trinity is a new doctrine formed in the eighth centry it is not found in any document before then. this is why the New translations omit it or mark it as added in later times.

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I CORINTHIANS 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. The word Lord here is Kurios which is used througout as Lord in the New Testament. Translating it as “man” is not so good in my opinion…

“We shall know him for we shall be like him”
God is the first and the last which means his will will be in all from the second to the last
the true Godhead
Yah is the head of Messiah the Messiah is the head of Man man is the Head of woman.
If a woman laves her will to take up her husbands then she and he is one of the same will if then that man leaves his will and takes up the Messiah will then that man is Messiah they are one and we know that the Messiah did only that which the father commanded.
So the God head is all in all who obey him

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Their legs were broken because they were yet alive. I was as you are to try to find an answer to the  contradiction  but then  I found that not all witnesses are true.  In all things the key to knowledge  is the obedience of God. The fact remains three witnesses declare there was no good thief, and only one witness there was. To obey  the father  I must receive the witness of two or more on these matters of contradiction. It is no secret that not all that is in the New Testament is original this is why the New translations differ from the KJV. What is not known is how much is true and how much was added.  There is no codex or manuscript that is identical to another. All truth must be spiritually discerned.  

Re 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. Re 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Re 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

The doctrine of the Nicolaitanes was antinomianism which is the belief that the Laws of God are not relevant as they say in this time or in the new covenant. This is the doctrine of all churches today and is the reason for them not being able to see the Word. There is Hidden Manna to be discovered and I would think and believe if I should live to be 1000 I could not find it all. But this theif on the cross I have found and  it cannot be defended  other than I am told I just need to believe even though it is obviously an error. This error has caused much destruction as did the others. If the story is true then salvation can come by the simple prayer just before you die remember me Jesus. I am sorry to those who received him he gave the power to become sons of God . To receive him is not enough to be saved you must use the power given and this power that is denied though they have a form of Godliness is  to ask “Has God commanded this” or “Has man commanded this”.

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A man cannot inter the Kingdom of God lest he is Born again.
The Messiah was called the First born from the dead and the first of Many brethren.
Jesus was the only to be resurected from the dead and translated the others are yet to come if the theif was with him in the kingdom then has he gone befor the rest?

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God has preserved his Word just have to have the Keys to find it

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To beleive Luke is to call Matthew and Mark liers.

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True but we must rightfully divide the Word of truth and the Key is given to use there must be two witnesses.
Acording to Gods Law and to the witness of it in the new testament I am not to beleive anything unless it has two or three witnesses.

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Constantine historically wanted to baptized on his deathbed and this story was to justify him. I hope you are aware of the additions to the New testament? I wondered why there was an account in John there was only two transgressors with him.
18 Where they crucified him, and two others with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst

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Attis Christ of pagens

Attis was the consort of Cybele, the great mother goddess of Phrygia in Asia Minor. A vegetation god, he was sometimes known as Papas, or “Father”. One of the oldest stories concerning the birth of Attis tells how the hermaphrodite AGDISTIS fell asleep, whereupon the gods tied it sgenital to a tree. Agdistis awoke with a start, and the severed genitals fell to the ground. An almond tree grew up on the spot, and in due course Nana, the daughter of the river god, became pregnant by one of its fruits. The girl eventually gave birth to Attis. Other legends say that the god was a foundling or the son of a king.

The best-known story of Attis is that in which his desperate love for Cybele drive him insane, leading him to castrate himself under a pine tree. Flowers and trees grew up on from his blood. Although he died, the god was reborn and united with Cybele.

The cult of Cybele spread to Greece and Rome, and with it, that of Attis. Cybele was said to have fallen in love with Attis, who was regarded as a handsome young shepherd. She chose him as her priest and imposed a vow of chasity upon him. However, Attis fell in love with a river nymph, so Cybele caused him to suffer a fit of madness, during which he mulated himself. When the god recovered, he was about to kill himself when Cybele changed him into a fir tree. In another version of the story, Attis was gored to death by a boar sent by Zeus.

Each spring, at the end of March, a five-day festival was held in honour of Attis. The first day was one of mourning. The god, represented by a sacred fir tree taken from the grove near Cybele’s temple, was bound with bandages, decorated with ribbons and flowers, and carried through the streets (Modern day Christmas tree). On the second day, Cybel’s priests preformed frenzied dances, and on the third day they castrated themselves, sprinkling the altar and effigy of Attis with their blood. The fourth day was that on which the resurrection of Attis was celebrated. The fifth day was on of rest. A ritual marriage between Cybele and Attis formed part of the ceremony, with Cybel’s high priest taking the role of the god.

The Romans generally represented Attis as a shepherd, usually holding a shepherd’s crook and sometimes carrying a sheep on his shoulders (This was to merge Jesus with Attis) . He plays a pipe and wears a pointed cap on his head. The rays of the sun, or ears of corn, protrude form the cap, symbolizing his function as a god of regeneration and rebirth..
This was taken from Encyclopedia of Mythology with my additions in ()

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Christian, Pagan mix
The so-called ‘Edict of Milan’, by which the Roman Empire reversed its policy of hostility to Christianity and accorded it full legal recognition was one of the decisive events in world history. Yet the story behind it is complicated and in some ways mysterious. Christian apologists at the time and later portrayed it as the consequence of Constantine’s own conversion, itself portrayed it as the consequence of Constantine’s own conversion, itself brought about by the miraculous intervention of God before the Battle of the Maxentius. This was the story Constantine liked to tell himself, later in life. Bishop Eusebius, who informs us gloatingly that he was ‘honored wit the Emperor’s acquaintance and society’, says he heard from Constantine’s own lips that ‘a most incredible sign appeared to him from heaven.’ But there is a conflict of evidence about the exact time, place and details of this vision, and there is some doubt about the magnitude of Constantine’s change of ideas. His father had been pro-Christian. He himself appears to have been a sun whorshipper, one of a number of late-pagan cults which had observances in common with the Christians. Thus the followers of Isis adored a modonna nursing her holy child’ the cult of Attis and Cybele celebrated a day of blood and fasting, followed by the Hilaria resurrection-feast, a day of joy, on 25 March; the elitist Mithraics, many of whom were senior army officers, ate a sacred meal. (Easter)
Constantine was almost certainly a Mithraic, and his triumphal arch, built after his ’conversion’, testifies to the Sun-god, or ’unconquered and their own. They referred to Christ ’driving his chariot across the sky’; they held their services on Sunday (Sunday worship), knelt towards the East and had their nativity feast on 25 December, the birthday of the sun at the winter solstice. ( Christ mass)
During the apostasize because of this confusion; the Bishop of Troy told Julian he had always prayed secretly to the sun. Constantine never abandoned sun-worship and kept the sun on his coins. He made Sunday into a day of rest, closing the law courts and forbidding all work except agricultural labour. In his new city of Constantinople, he set up a statue of the sun-god, bearing his own features, in the Forum; and another of the mother-goddess Cybele, through she was presented in a posture of Christian prayer.
Ref: “A History of Christianity”
By: Paul Johnson

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Deathbed Salvation
One of the most common doctrines in the fallen church is deathbed salvation. This doctrine prompts people to be comforted at the last minute salvation of a dieing loved one. This doctrine matches the instant salvation believed by the means of a simple prayer. Deathbed salvation seems to come from the pleasant account found in the gospel of Luke.

Luke 23
.39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Seems simple enough one of the two who was crucified near Messiah received last minute salvation. There is only one problem Luke did not write this! Shocking isn’t it!
Take a closer look, I find it amazing that this man knew that the Messiah was not yet in his Kingdom he said “when you come into your Kingdom.” How did he have an understanding of this and the Apostles didn’t? How about the Messiahs reply “Today you will be with me in paradise.” the Messiah was three days and three nights in the Earth before he was resurrected. The crucified Messiah descended to hell not paradise before his resurrection. Hell (death) couldn’t contain him, so he was freed (Resurrected).

Acts 2
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

The Messiah would have been a liar if he told the Thief on the cross next to him they would be in paradise that day. To put the final nail in the in this false doctrine, Luke seems to be the only account that supports it.

Matthew 27
.43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.44 The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

Matthew clearly states that both thieves came against the Messiah on the cross!

Mark 15
Mr 15:29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,
Mr 15:30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
Mr 15:31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
Mr 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Mark which is the first gospel written agrees with Matthew!

John 19
18 Where they crucified him, and two others with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst

John doesn’t mention the thieves’ actions. Matthew and Mark are clear both of the men crucified next to the Messiah came against him! Luke’s account on the other hand is found the only evidence of deathbed salvation. So what are we to believe? The key to finding the truth is found in Matthew! 8:16 and again in II Corinthians 13:1. Luke’s account is one witness Matthew and Marks accounts are two witnesses.

Mt 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
2co 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Luke’s account is one witness Matthew and Marks accounts are two witnesses. There is no other evidence of deathbed salvation besides the cross conversion in Luke. There is no deathbed salvation! God can save anyone he pleases but it is not to be believed you will be saved on your deathbed. If your preacher is preaching this false doctrine using Luke’s false account then it is clear he does not have spirit of truth! If one has the Holy spirit he or she cannot believe or remain in a Lie.
Mt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mr 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of MEN.

I do not beleive in the conversion of the Theif on the cross”He was numbered with the transgressers” If one of them was chosen to be saved then he would have not been called a transgresser.

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Anyone on this site that is like minded can contact me for anything I am your servant. I am also a witness to this because I have not learned this from any man it is true. I have no church or creed but I know God is not the Messiah though the Messiah has his authority. Those who worship the Messiah as the creator are not worshiping the Father at all! You must have both of them.

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I rejoice that I after 11 years have found this site I knew I wasnt alone

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This is what I ask them and it seems to silence them on the Deity lie. If he wasnt a Man (the Messiah) then he could not do what he was raised up to do.

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Ro 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
If the Messiah was the creator God then what will the brethren be? do they think they will be creators?

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Ho 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee; and I will not come in wrath
God is not a man yestuday, God is not a man today,God is not a man tomorrow!

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I cannot beleive I have found like minded beleivers. Why though do you call The Messiah Jesus? Jesus is only 280 years old Iesus was used and before that Geezues and before that Yahshuah.

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