Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2013,05:49)you asked me:Quote I could ask you the same. Where does it say GOD is Jesus and His Father together?Deut 10:17For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe.The NT clarifies that for US, there is one God and one Lord…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2013,05:49)You have failed to prove that using one with the singular pronoun means one person. Can you show me anywhere that says it/he/she/I is echad and it can't possible be a unity in plurality, such as a nation?Can you admit that the Shema statement alone as originally written, does not give you enough information…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2013,12:53)jb2u,What specifically do you disagree with in that creed? A teaching that men agree to teach is not necessarily wrong just because it is a teaching that men teach and agree to. You are apparently a man and you come on here and teach. From my view, your teaching is not in accord with the fullness of the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2013,12:46)jb2u,Where is a scripture that says 'He is one' as in 'echad' in the original language and it talks about Jehovah? Please don't cite the Shema because there is NO 'He' in the original language, fyi.You are right the Shema does not say “He is one.” It actually uses His name so that their is no confusion as to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2013,12:27)Do you read an English Bible or do you read the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic texts? If you read the Bible in English, then you realize that it was other people that are interpreting the original languages and telling you about God, right? The original Bible was not written in English.Well, I read it in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,13:24)jb2u,This thread is about finding a church that does not teach the trinity. I am challenging you as to why are you leaving the church and looking for another since I see the plurality in unity with the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.I know what the thread is about, seeing how I started it and all.The reason…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,13:24)I can see two possibilities as to why Jesus says that.1. He is comparing His Father to the gods of the nations of the earth in which Jesus is walking among.2. Jesus is not just God, the Son, but God/Man the Son. The Father is only true God, not true God/Man like Jesus.In no way is Jesus teaching anybody that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,12:59)I think that you are putting too much importance in pronouns. For instance, read this passage in Hosea 14 and notice how the pronouns for the same subject (Israel) change from plural to singular.  So, my point is that you do not have a solid argument that God is one person because 'He' is used as a pronoun…[Read more]

Lightenup…I have a quick story for you!! There is this guy MIKE. He lives on a planet where he is the ONLY chicken salesman. Now, MIKE is upset because other people are saying that they are chicken salesmen, but it is a lie.He is the ONLY chicken salesman. One day he has enough of it and calls Bob. He tells Bob that these people are saying that…[Read more]

I am sorry I was typing on my nook tablet and that one post needed to be edited. (Heaven Net needs a feature where we can it post!!)Anyway…Here it is again…Lightenup…So you do not answer the questions that I asked and did not understand the use of “one”.“…and His bride has made herself ready.”The bride is many, but where is the word “one”?…[Read more]

Lightenup…So what is your interpretation when Jesus says thatHis Father is the one true God?FYI, I keep “Coming back” because I'm the original poster of this thread. I do not ever mind the challenge, but that is not what this thread is about.

Sorry that last sentance should have been abovethe sentance…”the bride is many…”

Lightenup…So you do not answer the questions that I asked and did not understand the use of “one”.The bride is many, but where is the word “one”?Now we know “one” here is “one set” because we see the “we”.”That they may be one as we are one.Do you see it? WE, so again, they are one set, NOT one God! WE though many, are “one” body in Christ.

Thank you for the kind comments. Any revelation from me is from God only. Like I said, I am no Bible scholar, but I love the word of God.Yes, I know that the we are the church. 1 Cor 12:27And I know that where ever two or more of His people are gathered, there He is. Matt 18:20And I know that Christ is not in a building that we built with our…[Read more]

Thank you Ed J and t8 for the welcome.As I said, I really do not like to argue. My goal was really just to see if someone knows of a church that teaches the truth. Who knew it would lead to 11 pages!!

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2013,07:28)3. You say that one 'set' of something doesn't have singular personal pronouns to go with it. I disagree completely. The church is a 'she.' Israel is 'my,' 'I,' even in the Shema, Israel is singular and 'hear' is the singular verb with it yet Israel is one as a 'set' as you call it.Example:Numbers 21:2And…[Read more]

Oh Lightenup (please read all of my words)…”the gods that I believe exist” as you say are the same ones that God claims exists.Psalm 82 God refers to judges as “gods.”1 Cor 8:5 God states “there be gods many, and lords many.”But we are talking about a belief in a trinity. Let's start at Deut 6:4God states “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one…[Read more]

Quote (Jeremy @ Mar. 27 2013,13:43)Hi jb2u, I have also had the same problem with finding a church, which is how I first came to this site (i googled “which church is the right church?). When I came back to God after making it through my teen years I went to a few different church`s with poeple I met, but being raised as a JW ment that I had some…[Read more]

Lightenup…Well, let's clarify a few things.1) There were several “representatives of God” that were called God in scripture. These representatives came to speak for God, as no man can lay eyes on God; and so, they were called God in the Bible, the inspired word of GOD. 2) Also, John 10:34-36, “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law,…[Read more]

Lightenup.. please do not misquote me. I never compared Jesus to the prophets/disciples!!!! I was pointing out that just because Jesus did “God things” does not mean that he was God or equal to God. To prove that point, I stated that the prophets/disciples also did “God things” and they are, in fact, not God or equal to God. I am very aware of the…[Read more]