And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling–these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

<p style=”text-align: center;”>The Bible doesn’t have much to say on this subject and makes a few quotes that kind of seem out of place. Perhaps because the quo…[Read more]

Help? I posted  a reply to  Andrew but I don’t see it. Has it been deleted?

Hi Jodi,

You speak with a passion that you hope is towards truth of the scriptures and you make many valid points in that vein.

However, you seem confused about the aspect of Demons, false gods, Satan and Devil.

Demons, is the word that pertains to a Fallen Angel.

Satan, is the word that pertains to an Opposer of a Truth.

Devil, is a word…[Read more]

t8, since the book of Enoch is not in the holy scriptures that we can all share the readings and interpretations together, I think it is nappropriate to bring any supposed testament or validity to the table on this book. Why, Can I bring in the book of ‘Thomas’? No! ALL EVIDENCE required for proof of all subjects are in the scriptures… Obviously…[Read more]

Hi all,

I have looked into the issue of ‘Sons of God’ and ‘Son of God’ and there is clear evidence that these terms SIMPLY MEAN ‘Anyone who does the works of Almighty God: Yahweh: the Father’.

This definition comes from the point of view of ‘Who, or What, is a Son’.

To understand what this means we must first stop thinking in human terms and…[Read more]

t8, I cannot believe that in these enlightened days we are discussing disputes concerning the holy spirit ‘as a dove’ vs ‘in the manner of a dove’.

As I see it, even the protagonists of ‘as a dove’ are only retaining the false concept because they need to do it so they can continue to be a church leader. If they confessed the belief was false…[Read more]

t8, if there was any suggestion that I implied you thought that then I apologise. I believe what you believe in that the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus ‘in the manner’ of a dove. I have said so many many times.

‘In the manner of a dove’ is to mean that the spirit was gentle, light, a pleasant breeze, sanctifying, adoringly, with delicate…[Read more]

Yes. t8, like how Pentecostals adopt the symbol of a dove to represent the Holy Spirit – DESPITE their belief in trinity that the Holy Spirit is a PERSON!!!

Moreover, the stranger fact that THERE WAS NO ‘DO E’ observed at the Pentecost event.

t8, I know you are right about the verse. What I commented on is that LU could use that (if unexplained) for her own excuse ideology that Jesus ‘CAME (as in Was Born) from God’. But I agree since you explained that it is her problem if she misinterprets (or rather, HIJACKS) Jesus’ own words and their meaning, just as the trinitarians misinterpret…[Read more]

Miia, you are doing what many many many of those naive in scriptures do.

Jesus’ millenium reign is strictly temporary (as I pointed out). You cannot say you do not read that he ‘Hands BACK’ the kingdom to the one who gave it to him – WHEN his task is done. Did Joseph not ‘Hsnd back’ the rulership of Egypt to the PHAROAH?

Jesus’ rulership that…[Read more]

t8, I virtually agree with what you just said. And there is so much more that time does not permit me to impress on you and others here.

We have established that the deity we as suggested true Christians believe in as our God is a singular entity of spirit. Scriptures tells us: ‘God is Spirit’ and we are held to believe so according to the…[Read more]

t8, you (we) will always be contending with LU as her religious belief is HER OWN.

She is not discussing / debating the same Christian belief that comes from the Christian scriptures that you and I are referencing – therefore what she says can never be equated to reality of OUR truth.

As You see, her ideology is a confused one. To her, the deity…[Read more]

@jael

you asked:

The question is (not exclusively), ‘If Jesus is (some kind of) GOD (Define your version of ‘God’… !) why is he GIVEN a RULERSHIP that is LESS THAN that which ‘HIS’ already?

First off…YHVH GOD = God of gods + Lord of lords

Secondly…Jesus emptied Himself to become a bondservant in the flesh, which would seem natural to mean…

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LU, t8, ‘There is ONE GOD, the Father…’

Nothing more.

God does not DEPEND on Jesus for anything excepting that Jesus should fulfil the promise made to the patriarchs that one in the likeness of Moses should save mankind (from the son of Adam) by giving the testament that God gave him to give to mankind about HIM (God: The God… The God of the…[Read more]

LU, Jesus is a man, born holy and sinless by means of the overshadowing of a virgin (Mary) by God’s Holy Spirit.

LU, do you agree with that statement?

LU, where do you see anything from me about a mistake concerning Proverbs. I had an epiphany and realised WHY there was such a difference between your ideology and the truth of the Christian scriptures – indeed, trinity belief as well as JiG’s.

LU, you are struggling to justify your strange ideology.

You are all over the place with your idea of justifying what you claim.

There is no point in quibbling over what is not even anything to do with this thread. Just admit (or STOP REFERRING TO) that you made a great error of judgement in attributing ‘WISDOM’ as being ‘Jesus’ EVEN THOUGH…[Read more]

LU, you said that scriptures says the son  does whatever the Father does.

And this is your answer to ‘Did Jesus create man’!

Lu, look at your answer – read it again… I’ll give you a few minutes,,,..,,.,,,,,…,,,

ok, did you see the delusion?

No? Really? Oh yes you did… You just cannot understand how you write such nonsesnse,.,

Lu, I’ll…[Read more]

Addendum..,

I missed a crucial one…

6) ‘God sent his son into the world…’ (What was that trinity definition of ‘God’ again: ‘Father, Son and Holy Spirit’, wasn’t it.)

So, ‘God’ who is BOTH or NEITHER a PERSON or a SUBSTANCE AND NATURE, but nonetheless CONSISTS OF THE THREE PERSONS, one of whom is ‘Son’, ‘SENDS’, God’s SON into the world……[Read more]