People,

So, ‘ontologically’, the SONS OF GOD are also Almighty God?

Hello Jack, … Ontologically?

So the son of a King is a King?… ontologically?

Oh, and the son of a woman is …., ontologically?

Jack, do you realise that The son of God, Jesus the Christ, is a human – God is Spirit. How is that ‘ontological’?

Would the thread go smoother if I were to add: ‘Dismiss any thoughts of PERSON meaning human: look more to the attributes and characteristics’?

Hi Nick,

You asked me to show evidence of the statements I made concerning Satan being the highest Angel in heaven and his prominence as the steward over creation (spoken of as ‘All the kingdoms of the world’.

Well, can I start by expressing my dismay that you do not already know these things causing you to need to ask.

It surprises me that the…[Read more]

Tigger, thank you for raising the point about the blind man. It is exactly one that I put to trinitarians but they simply refuse to engage on that issue – I believe it is because they realise the sheer stupidity of the traditional trinitarian fallacy that Jesus was claiming to be almighty God simply by saying ‘I am’ to the Jews and ‘I am…’ seven…[Read more]

Hi Nick, it is written in scriptures.

It is also written that ‘It is taken away from the first and given to a second’.

The Angel called Satan held a governing position as ruler over creation but only as a steward. It was always destined that a human would rise to become ruler and that was the privilege of Satan to do so: ‘It is mine to give to…[Read more]

In the Old Testament King David’s wife ‘worshipped’ him as she lay at his bedside. The Hebrew word for ‘Worship’ is the exact same word for ‘Bowed down to’…

Who is going to say that she carried out an illegal sacred act that was only meant for Almighty God.. Or…

Why don’t trinitarians say that King David was Almighty God since he received…[Read more]

People, please be careful when using the word and term ‘Worship’.

You are to take notice that ‘simply bowing down and making offerings or acknowledging a person out of reverence IS NOT the same WORSHIP as that given to GOD!’

Notice that I say God. True WORSHIP means pledging your life to that revered one: sacrificing yourself or something of…[Read more]

Yes, I believe that the sons of God are the holy angels of heaven, the spirit dwellers who God created to help oversee, and maintain by order, his creation.

Satan is/was the greatest of these spirit sons and as such he demanded to be worshipped by creation just as almighty God is worshipped.

Many many Christians are horrified at the idea that…[Read more]

Gene, I would agree with the poster who said that the text shows the man of sin doing the wrong thing. As such it cannot be Jesus Christ nor an image of Jesus Christ.

I also agree that the man of sin is not a strictly singular human person. Remember that Scriptures is highly symbolic so this ‘man’ could represent a society, a world government,…[Read more]

Pardon me an addition.

If Almighty God is Father and Spirit… Mankind is also Body and Spirit.

Jesus Christ taught that ‘I and the Father are one’. Did Jesus Christ teach that he was ‘One and together with the holy spirit’? Did Jesus say he was going TO (not even BACK) the Holy Spirit?

If God is trinity essence of three, what exactly is…[Read more]

Thanks for your responses. I notice that when conversing with trinitarians they most often INVENT new meanings for words commonly understood.

You will already have noticed that trinity websites always meander off topic when CLAIMING to be answering the topic question… This is no accident!

In order to pretend to answer the formal question the…[Read more]

Having read much of the postings I can honestly say that I don’t understand the point being attempted to be made.

However, I can say that the aspect of negative truth in the churches is not foreign to me. The book of Revelation tells us plainly that there is no perfect church – and certainly there will be churches that fervently express…[Read more]

Gene, I just read 2 Thes 2. I don’t see anything pertaining to the discussion at hand.

I do see that in verse 2, 14 and 16 Jesus is called ‘Lord’ and the Father alone (verse 16) is called ‘God’ (and no third, let alone second, ‘god’-person)…

Also, verse 13 shows that God chose the Apostles from the beginning …They were later GIVEN to Jesus:…[Read more]

Sorry to be jumping in here. Guys, I think it is clear that Jesus was a man born holy and sinless in the manner of Adam and ‘pre-destined’ TO BE the saviour of the world (that is, to save mankind from the eternal death of the spirit caused by the sin of Adam).

As much as he (that is, ‘someone’) was pre-destined to be ‘the christ’ – which the Jews…[Read more]

Hello t8, can you elaborate a little bit more on what you said concerning a mediator between God and creation?

What is it you that causes you to draw your conclusion? Was this mediator (who, or, what) always present in this fashion?

It is certainly true that God does not interact directly with creation – always uses an agent to do his will. Can…[Read more]

A Trinitarian told me Jesus was God because Jesus walked on water. It phased him not when I pointed out that Peter also walked on water…

A trinitarian told me Jesus was God because Jesus raised the dead. It phased him not when I pointed out that Elijah and Elisha each raised a dead person.

A trinitarian told me Jesus was God because Jesus was…[Read more]