Jael replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Hi t8, you said, ‘…. But they are the default firstborn, but the default is not always the result.’
I do not understand what you mean by your suggestion. Could you explain a little better, please.
What I said was totally general. Of course there are, and obviously would be, firstborn (closest and dearest to the Father) who are also first-born…[Read more]
Jael started the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Traditional trinitarian fallacy declares that the Son is equal to the Father (John 5:18) hence despite Jesus stating emphatically that he (the Son) is NOT EQUAL TO THE FATHER (John 14:28), and an Apostle in Corinthians 15:28 saying: ‘The Son himself shall be be subject to HIM who out all things under him’ – trinitarians continue to declare Jesus…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic Did Jesus speak God's name? in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Terra,
It is extremely important to ACKNOWLEDGE the name of our one God. This one God we believe in GAVE us his name, saying, ‘This is my name for everlasting!’.
My point was that by replacing the name our one God gave us for himself we are diminishing his authority and power due to our fears and superstitions.
The Jews only stopped using the…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic Did Jesus speak God's name? in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
Many verses in the New Testament use THE NAME OF ALMIGHTY GOD: ‘YHYH’…
However, it is DISGUISED by trinitarians who ALTERED the sacred name to read ‘LORD’ (fully capitalised in English) despite the fact that the verses this sacred name is used in is a DIRECT QUOTE from the Old Testament.
Altering the holy scriptures in this way serves only to…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic Did Jesus speak God's name? in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
In the many verses in the New Testament where quotes are made from the Old Testament in which Almighty God’s personal name, YAHWEH, is used… Did Jesus use that name (Yahweh) when he spoke those quotes?
It is interesting (to me, anyway) that the quote is precise but the translators have modified the text to say ‘Lord’ (Greek: Kurios – or…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
Has either of you, t8 and LU, noticed an absence of a ‘family unity of God’ in too many verses to be accidental?
Jesus only EVER speaks of unity with the Father:
– ‘I and the Father are one’ (Two does not make three! What if Jesus had said, ‘I and God are one’…!)
– ‘I am in you (Father) as you (Father) are in me…’ (Wow, suppose Jesus had…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic Is God a person in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
Hi terraricca,
Gen 1:27 says that God created man in his own image.
Colossians 1:15 says that Jesus is the image of God.
Terraricca, I don’t understand why you are asking me to show you something you already know.
Jael replied to the topic Is God a person in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
To streamline this thread and put more directly, let us use the definition of PERSON as:
– an entity that can be fully designated with a pronoun title of ‘Him, Her, He, or She’ in the higher order of sentient being. I mean, so as to exclude lower entities such as the animals and human beings; God and Angels (spirits).
Jael replied to the topic Is God a person in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
If God is not a person, as some here might seem to insinuate, then what is God?
Some trinitarians say that God is a person who is a spirit being… All good so far. But then it all falls apart when you ask about their belief that there are three persons in (who make up!) their God person.
Im sure you can see their dilemma: their God is a person…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic 100 indisputable proof verses – The Trinity Doctrine in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
“everlasting Father”.
Can someone explain what this means?
To a trinitarian it appears to mean that Jesus is God… How is this derived?
And yet, to another, Jess IS the Father (…’there can be only one Father…’)
But no one says anything of ‘I and the Father are one…. If you see me you see he father…!’ as meaning that Jesus IS the…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
Did Jesus EVER say that he came DOWN FROM heaven?
Certainly, he said that he came FROM the Father – but not that he came FROM heaven – way different things!
Jesus said that he was going TO the Father – he NEVER said that he was going BACK to heaven – way different things!
Jesus was ‘Adopted’ by the Father to become the son: ‘This day I have…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
When did God send his Son into the world? (John 17:18… ‘As you (Father) sent me (Jesus) into the world…’; John 10:36,’ …what do you say of him whom the consecrated (set apart / anointed) and sent into the world?’)
Was it before or after Jesus’ baptism? What does being anointed mean (and by the holiest of oils; the Holy Spirit?)
When was…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
Well, t8, I am unsure of how this all works.
The verses say and interpretations cause confusion concerning that the nephilim were on the earth ‘at the time’ that the sons of God took daughters of man.
So where did the nephilim come from? Some say they were the product of angelic and human female interaction.
Of course Angels cannot procreate.…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
t8, ooops, sorry… Read your post in a rush!!
There are, I think, too many ‘Nicodemuses’ who can’t understand spiritual matters – they apply them to limited earthly matters.
Nicodemus could not imagine the ‘Spiritual rebirth’ – he only imagined Jesus was speaking of being reborn through a physical woman like a human baby.
Jael replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
LU, so you mean that it was God that made Jesus ‘perfect’ in completing his works?
Wasn’t it JESUS who WAS PERFECTED …
How does the word ‘perfect’ (perfected) suddenly come to mean ‘completed’ in the context of the verse?
LU, scriptures says that Jesus BECAME PERFECT…
But you say that it says that Jesus COMPLETED ?!!
I think you have…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Nick, t8,
Please show by way of a proof even one thing that I said that was incorrect…. Please (try to) do so.
‘Kingdoms of the world’… Do you both imagine that Satan showed Jesus the ‘WORLD’ of the Middle East and said ‘This all can be yours!’.?
Do you imagine Satan showed Jesus planet Earth as being ‘the kingdoms of the world’?
Consider…[Read more]
Jael replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Hi LU,
You said something about Jesus being always perfect.
What does Hebrews 5: 8-9 say?
How does ‘AFTER…learning obedience …and being made perfect’ imply ‘was always perfect’?
Jael replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
‘Spiritual sons’… Please read : ‘Spirit Sons’ (typo!!)
Jael replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Add: Angels, SPIRITUAL sons OF GOD, were never destined to ETERNAL positions of power and authority over the human sons made in the image of God. NO ANGEL or heavenly being is MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
Angels are ONLY SPIRITUAL HELPERS OF GOD… ‘For God has certainly not pre-destined the world to come to be in subjection to the Angels’
Jael replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Oh, to the supporter of ‘beget’ doesn’t mean ‘beget’…To the implier that beget implies something already existing:
Were Cain and Abel already existing when Adam begat them?
For sure, there is a meaning of begat that implies ‘brought to relational prominence’ as the scriptures states: ‘Paul begat Oncesimus while in chains in…[Read more]
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