I'm impressed for what?my 'only' is about the measurements not the height of Everest.

Hi Nick,So many quotes at a time. Yes unless a soul takes birth as flesh there is no question of all these arguements here. yes I am born of Spirit of God internally but I have not yet left my flesh body (natural body) and taken the spiritual, then only it is called as born of spirit literally. How can you ignore such facts it happens only when I…[Read more]

Again no Baptisms, Jesus was talking about a person who can enter into God's kingdom by what process. First he should take birth as flesh and then he should be born again as spirit. You recollect Paul's words in 1 Cori 15 “flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God” there he was also telling that the “natural body is first which will be…[Read more]

Oh! thanks for not judging me at least.

So where is the phrase “born again of water” in all those verses you quoted?It talks about born of water and of Spirit. Born of flesh is flesh and born of Spirit is spirit. So there are two literal births my friend ; one is natural birth as flesh and other is spiritual birth as Spirit not any baptisms. The verse you quoted from 1 Jn 5 is talking…[Read more]

See for your self who is judging whom, my friend.

So where is your favourite phrase “reborn of water” my friend?

Yes brother I have clearly read your post. I am not able to get what is that you want to convey from that?I see clearly see the One sitting on the throne and the Lamb standing along with 24 elders infront of the throne. Do you want to say the One sitting on the throne and the Lamb standing are one and the same being?

God is the one who draws(drags) people into His kingdom.

What is this new term 'gambling', is it another diversion?

Hi Nick,Where is this phrase “we have to be reborn of water”?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2008,14:01)Hi GB, So all are in the kingdom of God and His Christ now? No need for a door?What is this question you are asking Nick?God was in full control of what Jesus had to do. Without God's pre-plan nothing could have taken place in the life of Jesus. What is this door you repeatedly quote, there is no door…[Read more]

Ok brother I will quote another verse where in Jesus was standing at the right hand of God in Acts 7:55-5655 “But he, filled with the holy Spirit, looked up intently to heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of…[Read more]

Hi brother Gene,I agree with you on that. But I really don't have any clue what our cato believes.

So Nick,Do you mean to say Jesus was literally available in heaven with the Father in glory prior to taking birth as human and was not having the knowledge what he has to do on earth. Therefore he started learning every thing from Zero by faith?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2008,07:39)Quote (TimothyVI @ June 26 2008,07:28)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2008,06:29)Tim I think you are missing the point.Yeshua is in the thone with the Father, not just in the throne room like the elders!And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the…[Read more]

Ha! Ha! Good questions my friend Cato.

Hi brother WJ, I do see the scriptures for me it is infering same as already quoted by Gene. I see that God the Father is different from the Son who is the Lamb that was slain. I do believe that by honouring the Son we honour the Father. But doesn't make Son and Father same being. This is the arguement put forth by Gene.Please think overAdam

Ha! Ha! wonderful points my brother Gene. Let WJ answer them with due care.

Hi Stu, I am from India I visited some of the ranges of Himalayas but not the Everest which is in the Tibet border. I know it is very difficult to breathe normally on those steep mountains. Yes there is no change in the height of Everest still they measure it as 8848 mts above the sea level only.