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    Nick….Many years ago I read a book about the misquoting of JESUS, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THERE I SAW IT, BUT I ALSO RECALL READING IT in MARINAL NOTE ALSO BROTHER. We need to always keep in mind it was the, fallen church translators, that gave us the translations we now have, some of which have been corrected. THE KING JAMES BIBLE translated in…[Read more]

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    Nick….many years ago read a book about the misquoting of JESUS, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THERE I SAW IT, BUT I ALSO RECALL READING IT A MARINAL NOTE ALSO BROTHER. We need to always keep in mind it was the fallen church translators that gave us the translations we now have, some of which gave been corrected. THE KING JAMES BIBLE translated in the…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 9 years, 5 months ago

    kerwin… God gave those he “CAUSED” TO BELIEVE brother. Kerwin are we both saying the same thing, but perhaps explaining it a little different?

    peace and love to you and yours ……..gene

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    MARTY….DO YOU SEE THE parenthesis around the words (whoso readeth,let him understand) ,that is not in the true text.

    WHEN Jesus said to “THEM” when “YOU” SEE, he was talking to them seening it , not some one reading these words that were not even written down for 700 years latter,

    AS far as Antichrist GOES there were alread many Antichrists…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 9 years, 5 months ago

    Kerwin…. scripture say cleary that it was God himself that hardened Pharaoh’s heart, “CAUSING” him not to let them go.

    Proof text Exo 7:3 .. And I (God), will harden Pharaohs heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

    More Proof texts Exo 14:4, Exo 14:17,

    how is it you seem to reject those scriptures by saying…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 9 years, 5 months ago

    Kerwin….WHAT ABOUT Pharaoh did he chose out of his own heart or did God cause him to harden his heart, scripture say that God hardened his heart. As far as what a man will being forth out of his heart goes, he will not bring forth what is not already in there will he? And what is in there has to come from somewhere or how could it be there.…[Read more]

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    Princess….Sis you are right LOVE is the greatest of them all.

    peace and love to you and yours……gene

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    AndrewAD….Also the reason ihave described i as the “DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION” , is because that is exactly what the teaching of Jesus being a God, does it moves Jesus Away from being a human being to a God, and causes us to become seperated from his human idenity with us. THAT IS WHAT WAS BEHIND THAT TEACHING, Satan does not want us to believe we…[Read more]

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    AndrewAD…first place i have never said JESUS “HIMSELF” WAS THE MAN OF SIN, So lets get this clear ok, what i said the “FALSE IMAGE” OF HIM BEING A “GOD” WAS. NOW ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT? I don’t know if you believe Jesus is a GOD or not, but i assume you do by your response.

    There is only one human being who is sitting in the temple of God being…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 9 years, 5 months ago

    AndrewAD….I NEVER SAID JESUS “HIMSELF” WAS A MAN OF SIN, WHAT I SAID WAS THE “FALSE IMAGE” OD HIM BEING A GOD WAS. THE TRUE JESUS IS NOT A MAN OF SIN, ONLY THE “IMAGE” OF HIM CREATED BY THE FALLEN CHURCH IS.

    But the post you gave to kerwin 807169 is correct. I see it that way also. GOD is soverign in all thing that have been created. If it…[Read more]

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    Nick….THE BIGGEST JUDGE OF OTHERS HERE IS YOU. Just go back and read the thing you have written to others here. Do you think i am the only one here who has seen this?

    peace and love to you and yours ………gene

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    Nick….1 John 4 :1 … BELOVED believe not every spirit, but try the spirits wrether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    Those of the spirit know the sound of the spirit. They will not follow another master. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours ………..gene

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 5 months ago

    Nick….where have i ever claimed i have supernatural knowledge ? I don’t believe i do , but i do believe God allowed me to understand some things, and if what i say does not meet your scriptural understanding then don’t believe it. But if it does the rejoice in it not in me but in the truth, why think i am seeking somekind of glory, that simply…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 9 years, 5 months ago

    Edj…..you still don’t get it, h volunteers because he willed it, no a single word there describes what made him volinteer, and by tbe waythere isno HEBREW WORD FOR FREEWILL, AS I RECALL THE WORD ACTUALLY USED THERE SHOULD BE VOLUNTEER.

    EZR 7:13. THE WORD USED THERE IS ned-ab…it should be written to offer freely (willingly) this sentence does…[Read more]

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    Nick….nice to engage in an intellegent conversation with you brother, no i don’t think it is instantaneous or contemporaneous . The reason i don’t think that is several reasons,

    One DANIEL 7:25 and he shall speak words against the most high, and shall “WEAR OUT THE SAINT’S OF THE MOST HIGH”.

    NICK how do you tell people who are walking in all…[Read more]

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    Nick….i can judge the spirit that are working in that person, by their own words, and tell if they are of God or not, just as it says, “YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THIR FRUITS”. The fruit from your mouth gives you away, you can’t hide from it, though you may want to. A person whose words are accusitory and attack his or her charater, and…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 5 months ago

    Nick….”one verse’ that is a LIE, IT’S BASED ON MANY SCRIPTURES. why can’t you be specific?, tell us what “ONE” verse you are talking about exactly. Why are you avoiding it? At least give a me a chance to explain it. If you cannot produce it then i and others shouldn’t think you are creditable about saying any of what i have posted. Jumping…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 5 months ago

    Nick….why cant you be specific?, tell us what verse you are talking about exactly. Why are you avoiding it? At least give a me a chance to explain it. If you cannot produce it then i and others should not think you are creditable about any of what i have posted. Jumping around flapping your mouth, means nothing to, me nor should it to anyone…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 5 months ago

    Nick…..what verse are you relating to. Please try to be specific this time. OK ?

    Look MARTY AND SOME OTHERS were thinking it was speaking of the world in general, and were relating it to that WAY, So i went into detale to show that it was not the world Paul and John was speakibg to, but the church, and what was going to take place in it, and…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 5 months ago

    Nick…..what verse are you relating to. Please try to be specific this time. OK ?

    peace and love to you and yours ……..gene

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