Bod: Well, I think we might be on a different page because I'm not accustomed to using the Quran to validate or invalidate my view of Christ…I'm not sure how to address that. Let's see…I guess where it says that far exalted is He above having a son seems to completely contradict the scriptures (trinitarian or not) unless I'm reading that…[Read more]

Lightenup: Thank you! I am going to have to chew on all of those ideas for awhile!

Ok. Let me think this through. I don't want to approach all passages from a trinitarian mindset but want to try to view them openly. My thoughts go back to the apple analogy. God is clear that He is sovereign. But what if he is referring to himself as a triune God, the entire apple in relationship to creation? What if he is trying to…[Read more]

Bod: Real quick, what is your take on the spirit of God? Do you think that is synonymous with the Holy Spirit? Do you see the Holy spirit as a person or an essence or what? I don't think I can rightly think about your answer until I understand how you think about the spirit. I myself and wondering. And what do you think about Jesus in bodily…[Read more]

Ok bod (I sure hope that's ok), I think the other thread might address some of this with the mutual submission, etc. however….I was just thinking of this concept. Was ALL of Jesus in bodily form? I was thinking that we, as Christians, are told that WHILE we dwell on Earth in bodily form, are also seated in heavenly realms with God.…[Read more]

Ok bod (may I call you “bod?”) I think I'm tracking with you here. But what about the idea of mutual submission? Doesn't that address the free will issue? The equal power thing seems more complicated but I again consider it in terms of voluntary submission. One example would be when the scriptures tell us that Jesus was in very “form” God but…[Read more]