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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 27 2008,20:37)

Quote (WaterAmerican @ Feb. 27 2008,11:21) t8, i agree, we should all settle on some definite prediction. Ron has not said the nuclear attack will happen in April, but nukes will go off as a part of these things (cities affected being at least NYC, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles). There are some definite predictions though: 1) When the pope comes to the US in April, he will give a speech on or shortly after the 17th that will have tremendous political consequences. He said that “what's going to come out of his [the pope's] mouth will not be the same as it has been before”. 2) Also, probably more specific, Ron has said that great destruction upon the United States will occur IN the month of April (that is, after April 17th). You can get this confirmed by listening to the latest radio interviews on his website, like the one with Daniel Ott in Indianapolis. He has not said in what form exactly this destruction will take place. So, we can agree upon this: If no destructive event has taken place in the US by the end of April, meaning that we all sit here May 1st and nothing has happened – then yes, I would have to say Ron's prophecies have been false. (And yeah, you would get your apology you so long for    ) But Ron will be right, because these things are coming directly from God to mankind (through Ron as a prophet), and you will all be able to witness it. Thanks WaterAmerican. OK, so if there is no visible destruction in the US in April, then on the 1st of May everyone who believes Ron will know that they put their trust in a man instead of God. And then those people who promoted his prophecies as true, can apologize to all who read these forums for promoting false prophecies. I know that discipleelohim has said he will apologize and you to WaterAmerican. I hope that the others will do that too. Will anybody else promoting these prophecies put their name forward for an apology if there is indeed no destruction of the US in April? The apologies should be posted in this discussion so future readers will be able to learn to not follow in the same footsteps and also for the benefit of those who promoted these false prophecies as it will help amend any damage that could have been caused. Remember that no lie is of God and so no lie is good.

If you look back I said I would apologize if there was no nuclear war by Feb 1st 2009. I did not say April 1st. That is your assumption.

So yes, if by Feb 1st 2009 things have not come to pass, then I will apologize, post my picture, and find an ostrich to share his hole.

But I know I won't need too…

Good day.

[discipleelohim]

It is clear these minds are turned “off” and off for a reason. God has not opened it yet. There is nothing we (Brethren) can say to any of these people. Remember, it's God's job to open their minds. Not Ron’s and not ours. God will in due time, either sometime during the tribulation or in 1000 years when they are resurrected.

Remember Gods words through Ron…

Mankind must learn that the way of selfish human nature is incapable of producing lasting peace, happiness, prosperity, and fullness of life. The way of “get” (selfish, pride-filled motivation) produces sorrow, pain, suffering, competition, envy, jealousy, greed, anger, resentment, bitterness, wars, oppression, disease, hunger, lust, opposition, sexual perversion, depression, crime, debate, etc. Only God’s way produces all that is good and richly fulfilling, with everlasting happiness and peace in life.

I hope all are doing well!

One last thing Brethren… its easy to get caught up in wanting to help those who don't get it. Keep your focus on God during these times and an eye on world events. The rest is just man made garbage.

For those who want to let go of your self interpretation of the Bible and receive God's truth: http://www.the-end.com Once you have read them cover to cover and if you have questions any Brethren would love to answer them for you.

Have a great day!

[discipleelohim]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2008,12:05)

Hi DE, It is right that if you follow your denomination then you cannot be reborn as a son of God and you may need to endure the tribulation.

Hi Nick,

I am not sure what you are saying… it's obvious you are blinded by your own interpretation. Anyways, have a great night.

[discipleelohim]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2008,11:48)

Hi DE, Sorry but your denominational myopia has caused you to not see the true living body of Christ. It was never divided and no baton was ever passed to any human grouping. It sounds as though you have had many truths stolen from you by your leaders. Better to follow Jesus.

Hey Nick,

So what is the true body of Christ?

I guess you will find out the truth soon enough when you see nukes off in the distance and your rapture is nowhere in your myopia.

Good day.

[discipleelohim]

Hi Nick,

I posted under my wife's (A of P) account with that last post.

She gets me every time. lol

[discipleelohim]

Quote (stosh64 @ Feb. 26 2008,09:43)

WOW.  You believe the ONLY way to have the Holy Spirit is through the COG?  or PKG  or whatever?

Let me clarify something when I say “God's church”.

It was written for God's church in each church era. Not for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to interpret in their own mind. Those who do are simple worshiping in vain.

Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

[discipleelohim]

Quote (stosh64 @ Feb. 26 2008,09:43)

Quote (discipleelohim @ Feb. 26 2008,09:36) nick wrote: To get the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in Gods Church. So you are saying that you have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you? I will say this again. Those scriptures are for Gods Church. I know you don't understand that. But you will someday soon. Good day   WOW.  You believe the ONLY way to have the Holy Spirit is through the COG?  or PKG  or whatever? How do you counter that kind of arrogance? I will be praying that we all see the truth before the end. In Christs Grace, Stosh

That is correct.

I am not arrogant. I speak the truth with boldness.

[discipleelohim]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2008,09:38)

Hey Nick,

No. God’s church is spread out throughout the world. It has traveled through time from my understanding. No steeples or physical buildings.

Read the books, allow God to open your mind. That would then be you knocking and seeking and then you will be given the opportunity to receive the Holy Spirit.

God has refused his spirit to me still to this day. I am not yet baptized. He has drawn me and is opening that door for me. I know of others who have it now… from my understanding it took true change in their lives and their mind to receive it and with it comes greater responsibility as your sins (preivous life) has been washed away. You are then a “little one”.

I sure wish you would drop your gaurd and read the books and pray that God opens your mind to truth.

[discipleelohim]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2008,09:17)

Hi DE, You too can be reborn into the Son of God as it is not too late. John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. The wrath of God is not for the reborn sons. Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

To get the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in Gods Church.

So you are saying that you have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you?

I will say this again. Those scriptures are for Gods Church. I know you don't understand that. But you will someday soon.

Good day

[discipleelohim]

Quote (stosh64 @ Feb. 26 2008,09:17)

Quote (Anticipation of Peace @ Feb. 26 2008,08:25) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2008,15:50) Hi, But they cannot agree that anyone is saved outside of the COG. Just loved. Hi Nick. keep God's Commandments Only one person in history has kept Gods Commandments.  Christ. Sounds like you think works will get you in? Trying to follow commandments is great,  and you should want to, after you repent and ask Christ in.   So Jesus lied to the thief on the Cross? Luke 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. I dont think he had time to keep the Sabath,  or get  Baptized……

“We” are referring to end-time events. That relationship with God. The one you need to have to enter into the new age.

The guy on the cross died. He will simply start his relationship with God and the rest of the billions the day of the Great Resurrection.

And you are correct. Christ was perfect and no other man was.

But Christ did keep the Sabbath and got Baptized which is somethign we all should do in Gods Church since we are still alive…

[discipleelohim]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2008,07:46)

1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. The iron fist is for the rebellious.

I mean to add in one more thing (no edit, I don’t get that privilege)

So those who make their own interpretations are simply worshiping in vain. Unfortunately no one realizes it.

[discipleelohim]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2008,07:46)

Hi DE, How do you know you are not among the 144k? Why do you say none are saved? Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. The iron fist is for the rebellious.

I just know that I am not.

1 Corinthians 15:2
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
The iron fist is for the rebellious.

In vain says it all. God has not worked with mankind in the last 6000 years. He has only worked with very few. Those are the 144k in Gods church. The Church of God spoken of in scripture. God was not working with the mass majority of mankind. If he were don't you think he would have more than a 144k to be a part of the first Great Resurrection? Cause if God was trying for more, he did a pretty poor job of it. Of course he wasn't, cause if he was there would be many more than 144k out of billions who have lived.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he (the 144k) that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The rest God is working with are “us” (the little ones) at this end time. Our job will be to help others and show them the truths we have learned so they can also live into the new age.

Something people don't realize is that most of these scriptures that are being rattled off by traditional christians were written for Gods Church. Not for everyone to interpret in their own mind. Such as trinity and rapture. They are man made interpretations that have no biblical truth.

[discipleelohim]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2008,07:21)

Hi DE, To believe in the meeting with Christ in the air does not ensure your place in that event. Many call Jesus their Lord, but obedience to his simple demands matters more. Some are saved through the terrible great tribulation but God did not call His children for wrath

Hey Nick,

I am not one of the 144k (unfortunately). No ones place is ensured during the trib. I agree that the obedience is critical. No one is saved though. Jesus isn't coming to save people. He is coming to wage war as a LION. Not a lamb. He is not coming back in in peace as he was when he was born of this earth, but he is coming back with an IRON FIST. To me, this clearly means he is not coming to save anyone. He is coming to stop man from annihilating himself and destroying the earth. (Gods creations)

[discipleelohim]

Quote (acertainchap @ Feb. 26 2008,06:53)

I'm not dismissing what Ronald Weinland has to say, but you should take what he says with a grain of salt just as you would anybody that claims to know when the Tribulation is going to begin. No one knows for sure if the Tribulation is going to start in April or not. We'll have to wait and see. Will there be a rapture?:This is another question we should ask ourselves.

There is no rapture. That doesn't exist.

There are three resurrections in the Bible.

1. Jesus Christ
2. The 144,000 blessed ones.
3. The Great Resurrection after the 1000 years of Jesus Christs rule.

I don't recall anywhere in the Bible stating that if you simply believe in Jesus Christ you will float away before the tribulation. If that is the case, every Tom, Dick, and Harry will be floating away in the near future because almost everyone that is a traditional christian seems to believe in this rapture.

So if you folks who do see or hear about nukes going of in several cities, you may want to kiss that belief good-bye because you are here with the rest of us during the 1260 days. No one escapes the trib… of course unless you die.

I suggest reading the books to get a clear understanding of what is true and what is not true in traditional christianity.

Have a great day!

-Late

[discipleelohim]

Quote (gnipp gnopp @ Feb. 26 2008,05:02)

We've set somethings aside but wow.  That's quite a setup.  At least mines local.:laugh: -Later

Yeah that is quite the “spread”! lol

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Quote (gnipp gnopp @ Feb. 25 2008,12:47)

Madam, what is it that you wish of me?

Well I hope it's not your money cause it won't be worth much in the near future…

[discipleelohim]

Quote (WaterAmerican @ Feb. 25 2008,06:17)

are all of you pro-Ron people in this thread really in the Church? wow, i first thought most who post on the internet are people who simply read the books and believe what they state…

We aren't yet, but will be in the March time frame I believe.

[discipleelohim]

Quote (doctorex @ Feb. 25 2008,02:12)

Quote (gnipp gnopp @ Feb. 25 2008,01:49) Hi doctorex Welcome to the party! I have a quick question.  When that TV show/documentary is finished and airs over there, will you be able to record it? I now return you to regular scheduled posting. -Later I can do that, sure. I will let you know when it airs.

Hey doctorex!

Could you get that info to us as well?

me and A of P

Thanks Brethren!

[discipleelohim]

Quote (Broncs453 @ Feb. 24 2008,15:22)

Good grief. I hope no one took this guy seriously…

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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 24 2008,14:00)

Hey t8

I would have to agree with you. There have been so many crack pot predictions so why would anyone believe RWs message? The past failed predictions will and has created deception in mankind so much that mankind can't distinguish a false prophet from a true prophet of God.

So it will clearly be a matter of time that reveals whether RW is or not. I am 100% convicted to the message he brings to the table. I will give into your request. “If” RW is false I will apologize to everyone with a picture of myself so everyone can see the very person who was deceived. I will also probably find an ostrich and bury my head into the sand beside it. However, I will not in May. From the information I have been given, by February 1st of 2009. “If” we have a new President in office I will do the above mentioned. However, when RWs prophecies do come true, will you grab your books (Bible, Prophesied End-Time, and 2008 God’s Final Witness), repent of your old teachings, turn to God, find an Elder, and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ? All while obtaining the very conviction I have now? 

With all due respect we do appreciate you allowing us to use your website for fellowship and obviously debate. It is very kind of you and you have a great portal here.

Thank you

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