Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 19 2008,05:14)DK…..the book of revelation was symbolized, read the first verses of it, the words Signified it, means he symbolized the book. Check out the word. The book of revelations (can not ) be understood without knowing the symbols. That why scholars for 2000 thousand years can't understand it. And make all…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2008,08:26)Hi DK,John saw and heard many amazing things.Some were in symbolic form and some not.But symbols do not dialogue with men.They did in revelation..i.e. the 24 elders, babylon the great, the merchants of the earth

I don't think it really matters what Jesus died on…but if you want to know my opinion I think it was probably a tradional cross..I don't think his crucifixion differed from the normal means of crucifiying that the Romans used…I think what he carried was the patibulum or crossbeam…but again..it does not matter HOW he died but WHY he died..so…[Read more]

http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/disfellowshiping.html

Here you go again David:Watchtower 1981 Sept 15 p.20-26 Disfellowshiping—How to View It11 The expelled person is not a mere man of the world who has not known God nor pursued a godly way of life. Rather, he has known the way of truth and righteousness, but he has left that way and unrepentantly pursued sin to the point of having to be expelled. So…[Read more]

Here you go davidWatchtower Apr 1, 1986 p.30-31 Questions From Readers Questions From Readers• Why have Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ?Those who voice such an objection point out that many religious organizations claiming to be Christian allow…[Read more]

Quote (david @ July 18 2008,13:30)Does anyone here actually wish to discuss the scriptures about ex-communication?So, DK, you called me a liar.  You have yet to point out where i lied?The “lie” David is you insinuating that the reason you can't find the qoute is because its not there…Bottom line David..JW's are told to not even say “hello” to a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2008,07:27)Hi DK, Archangels are conspicuous by their absence in Revelation . Are they the elders?Revelation 5:5And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.Revelation 7:13And one of the…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi @ July 18 2008,07:30)Quote (dirtyknections @ July 17 2008,12:09)Quote (Jodi @ July 18 2008,07:04)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2008,11:31)Hi Jodi, Did the ADVERSARY of Job have the power to inflict boils, to cause fire to come from heaven and to raise up the power of the wind?  Job is scripture.Hi Nick,I am seeing the story of Job from…[Read more]

I don't get the point of your questions?

Quote (Jodi @ July 18 2008,07:04)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2008,11:31)Hi Jodi, Did the ADVERSARY of Job have the power to inflict boils, to cause fire to come from heaven and to raise up the power of the wind?  Job is scripture.Hi Nick,I am seeing the story of Job from the perspective of an Israelite story. Picture the story as if an Israelite…[Read more]

Quote (Hanoch @ July 18 2008,05:36)Sir Isaac Newton might have been brilliant… but it took a half-blind dishwasher to be so on fire in his love with God to start the Azusa Street Revival that brought a world-wide “awakening”. Praise God, because the truth is hidden from the ones considering themselves to be wise, but is made very apparent to the…[Read more]

Quote (Hanoch @ July 18 2008,05:19)My brothers, as I was reading what Gene was saying, my heart was broken – he obviously feels swept aside, my brothers, and we really ought to bask in the love of God, and give no place for the devil at all, our enemy!!! Sometimes that takes being quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to wrath, for the wrath of…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2008,04:27)DK……who put the tree of knowledge in the garden in the first place, who placed the serpent there, who made them with eyes that couldn't see , until they eat of the knowledge of good and evil. Who Know the End from the beginning. To say God didn't cause it is to say He didn't have control and His…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2008,03:54)Nick…..i am sorry but i don;t know what this has to do with God planning it all in the first place.I know God is not hardhearted, and his anger does not last for ever. God planned and purposed all thats going on in this earth, there is not one thing that he is not allowing. peace………..geneallowing…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 17 2008,14:58)DK……I don't know how your getting i am saying Saints are exempt from any attacks, There getting attacks now in this life . I sorry i am not following you. Maybe if you clarified it some.peace to you and yours……….gene Correct me if I am wrong..But are you not saying that NO saints will be led…[Read more]

Quote (Irene @ July 17 2008,23:14)My bible does not say they were “taken” from the earth, they were “redeemed” from the earth.Did not Christ redeem all of us?Neither does it say before the throne “in heaven”, but I can see why one would assume that, since God's throne is in heaven.But these saints are not going to serve God in heaven, he has…[Read more]

Nick…You believe in a literal eternal torment?

Since the lake of fire represents “the second death” and since Revelation 20:14 says that both “death and Hades” are to be cast into it, it is evident that the lake cannot represent the death man has inherited from Adam (Ro 5:12), nor does it refer to Hades (Sheol). It must, therefore, be symbolic of another kind of death, one that is without…[Read more]

Quote (Irene @ July 17 2008,13:09)Hi dirtyknections, and bless you for staying with this.I think you may be overlooking something. In v.1 of chapter 14, the Lamb, Jesus Christ, is standing on mount Zion “with” the 144000.In v.2, John hears a voice “from” heaven, he also hears the “voice” of harpers harping on their harps. Sounds to me like the…[Read more]