Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 03 2008,17:23)Hi DK,You had a lot going on in that one post to me.  Let me make mention of the NIV Study Bible and one of it's explainations of the “Let's make man in our image…” passage.  Take a look at it and see what you think.Thanks,MandyI am familiar with the NIV study bible..the problem I have is that you don't see a…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 02 2008,18:11)Quote (dirtyknections @ Sep. 01 2008,05:09)Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 31 2008,10:25)Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 30 2008,19:50)Interesting to note that Jesus WAS God.  Joh 1:1Was “Jesus” the Word spoken of in John 1:1?  How do you know it was J E S U S?To my knowledge, J E S U S wasn't alive until he was born of M…[Read more]

Quote (epistemaniac @ Sep. 01 2008,10:43)Quote (dirtyknections @ Sep. 01 2008,09:59)Quote Sorry brother,But you need a history lesson… Constantine WAS NOT a “true” Christian…true Christians follow Christ.. they don't try to appease Pagans by assimilating Pagan and Christian beliefs…which is exactly what constantine did. Constantine was more…[Read more]

For E..Since obviously you haven't REALLY studied the history of your god Costantine..here is a brief synopsis…(sources cited)During Constantine’s rule Christianity not only began to play a role in Roman governmental activities, but Christian symbols made there way onto Roman coinage as well. Constantine was responsible for the spread of C…[Read more]

Quote (epistemaniac @ Sep. 01 2008,09:09)Quote (dirtyknections @ Aug. 31 2008,16:20)Quote (epistemaniac @ Aug. 31 2008,15:52)Sorry brother…But the Nicene Creed holds NO weight with true followers of Christ. To put it bluntly Constantine and the creators of the Nicene creed are the alpha of that which Jesus prophesied here..Matthew 24:8-148All…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 31 2008,10:25)Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 30 2008,19:50)Interesting to note that Jesus WAS God.  Joh 1:1Was “Jesus” the Word spoken of in John 1:1?  How do you know it was J E S U S?To my knowledge, J E S U S wasn't alive until he was born of Mary?Mandy..my friend…answer me this:If Jesus did not Pre-exist…who helped his father c…[Read more]

Quote (epistemaniac @ Sep. 01 2008,03:00)Quote (dirtyknections @ Aug. 28 2008,01:21)I have never had a trinitarian be able to explain this scripture..Revelation 1:1 (NIV)…. 1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,Simply put…if…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 31 2008,16:11)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 31 2008,06:42)To All……..thanks for the concern, I do believe Jesus was certanly in the plan and will of God before the foundations of the world was ever made. But as far as his existence outside of that plan and will i do not, and that plan and will included GOD Creating another…[Read more]

Quote (epistemaniac @ Aug. 31 2008,15:52)Quote (Tiffany @ Aug. 30 2008,19:06)Quote (dirtyknections @ Aug. 30 2008,14:41)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2008,11:23)T8….I am not denying Jesus existed in the plan and will of God, but to try to makes it mean He was alive as a preexisting being is a presumption on your part, because if Jesus meant…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2008,22:20)Quote (samual @ Aug. 17 2008,23:34)The real question of the day should be: If Christendom is Babylon the Great, where is the true Church?  Do you know?Perhaps the true Church is the Body of Christ and not the worldly system that tries to imprison all believers inside the walls of tradition and man made doctrine,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 30 2008,12:19)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 30 2008,03:53)Nick…..you and WJ ignorance is you don't understand what the meaning of Spirit is. You keep thinking spirits are beings of some kind when in fact they are intellects expressed through words. And good and evil intellects are everywhere, and while they do and…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 30 2008,12:10)Hi LUQuote (Lightenup @ Aug. 29 2008,16:31)I truly see Christ as existing before His incarnation, not as “the Christ” yet, but as the “firstborn”, God's Holy One.  Since I see Him as the literal firstborn, naturally I see Him as the Son of God.  Since I see Him as the actual Son of God I accept that G…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2008,11:23)T8….I am not denying Jesus existed in the plan and will of God, but to try to makes it mean He was alive as a preexisting being is a presumption on your part, because if Jesus meant that He would simply said  I was alive and existed before Abraham as you would have liked it say, but He did not say that…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 30 2008,03:15)Pulivarthy……….If it is so clear why has it been argued for centuries then. I have not found it clearly stated in any bible i have read. You can not make the point that Jesus preexisted without adding to the text some conjecture and that to me is forcing the text to say something it does not…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi @ Aug. 28 2008,08:25)Quote (dirtyknections @ Aug. 27 2008,13:08)Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 28 2008,06:52)Jodi and DK,Excellent posts!!  Oh, my goodness they both are great representations of two opposing sides.  DK, I've heard some pretty good explainations of all the verses you've pointed out for preexistence, I'm sure you've heard them t…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 28 2008,06:52)Jodi and DK,Excellent posts!!  Oh, my goodness they both are great representations of two opposing sides.  DK, I've heard some pretty good explainations of all the verses you've pointed out for preexistence, I'm sure you've heard them too.  What do you think of the opposing view?  Can you see that scripture len…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi @ Aug. 28 2008,05:07)1 Peter 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world,…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi @ Aug. 28 2008,04:50)Hi DKJesus being the Wisdom of Proverbs 8 does not make sense to me, because how then would people be able to follow her once Jesus was born a human being?How was Jesus able to grow in knowledge and wisdom if wisdom now existed as an infant baby?You are looking at this the wrong way in my opinion..Jesus was…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2008,04:07)DK…..each thing you brought up can be easily explained, One Your are transposing Jesus for the word wisdom, no where in the text is the word Jesus mentioned. So why force the text to say it then. And Jesus is indeed first born into eternal life from God Creation, remember it says first (BORN) Not…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi @ Aug. 28 2008,03:19)Quote (dirtyknections @ Aug. 27 2008,07:58)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2008,02:39)Tiffany……..It does not say in what (WAY) he was before Abraham does it, you and T8 are (ASSUMING) Jesus meant He existed as an actual being, but thats not what it says, in fact Jesus was foreordained from the foundations of the…[Read more]