Where did the Cain and Abel thing come from?!?!? Talk about random!! By the way, we’ve been over this before; do you not remember?? I asked you what it meant and you couldn’t tell me! Such “strong” beliefs you have when you can’t support what you believe; we call that being gullible.

You understand Psalm 22 is poetry…right!! So the ev…[Read more]

You’ve mentioned I John 2:23 twice now, what is your point? We have truth because some NT writer said by denying the “son” one automatically denies the Father? Since the Jesus isn’t The Messiah (unless you can prove he is – beliefs don’t count, evidence does) and I turn my attention to G-d alone, what need do I have of the Jesus?

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CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING!!

Go ahead, explain what happened with David’s clothes when we shared them.

“When we shared them”, say what???

15 The roof of my mouth is as dry as a piece of pottery; my tongue sticks to my gums. You set me in the dust of death. 16 Yes, wild dogs surround me – a gang of evil men crowd around me; like a lion they…[Read more]

Blah, blah, blah; the Psalm is about David NOT the Jesus. You believe a lie!

More Parachute theology, drop in on a passage that one thinks is about the Jesus because is sounds like the Jesus. Read the entire chapter and place that single verse into the context it was written and there will be no the Jesus. Besides, Ps 22 isn’t M…[Read more]

although mōtāw is grammatically plural, it does not necessarily mean the servant literally died several deaths

You are assuming the servant is a singular individual. In that case of course one can only die a single physical death; however, this isn’t about an individual; it’s about a nation – Israel. You then bring in ancient…[Read more]

Ps 22 is a Psalm by David, about David; how do you get the Jesus out of that? Oh vs16 of the king Jimmy sounds like the Jesus so it must be! More parachute theology…

“For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.”

What the Hebrew translated says, “For dogs have surro…[Read more]

Who is the “he”, who is the “our”?

If you can’t identify who these pronouns are, why do you believe what you believe?

Still waiting for how the Jesus fulfilled Isa 53 when he wasn’t “innocent”; he was violent, deceitful, was desired, and he wasn’t so hideous that people avoided him. I have given the passages proving the person descri…[Read more]

Not worried, the Jesus didn’t fulfill what was prophesied about The Messiah. Unless you can prove he did.

Did you read Amos 3:7? “Certainly the sovereign LORD does nothing without first revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.” Where is it prophesied in the Tanakh The Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind, be buried and…[Read more]

Talk about being “under the law”, isn’t observing the Sabbath part of the “law”? Why is observing a Jewish command so important to the SDA? Why does the SDA only seek to convert the christian and NOT the “unsaved”? Sound a little upside down and backwards.

The “command” was actually an example set by G-d to take a day and rest as HE did…[Read more]

Who is this “innocent” figure, this servant? Christianity says it’s the Jesus, but using the words of the NT we find the Jesus ISN’T all that “innocent.” Judaism says it Israel and what’s crazy is we are told who this “servant” is.

But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend. (Isa 41:8…[Read more]

Of course it’s simple for the christian, they have found a passage that sounds like the Jesus and therefore is the Jesus. If you would have been following what I have been writing from the beginning, you would have found it impossible for this to be about the Jesus. I gave examples from the NT showing how he was violent, was deceptive,…[Read more]

If the expression “his death” was in the plural, the expression “his grave” would ALSO be in the plural.

How many “graves” can one person be buried in? Why are you shooting the messenger, I’m reading the original text!! The text your OT is based upon! Jump back to 43:10 “Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have ch…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Does nobody read for comprehension anymore!?!? Is there anyone who will verify what I am saying?? What I am finding is why I walked away from christianity. I began asking questions I was apparently NOT suppose to be asking and at one point was told by a pastor I shouldn’t study so much and pray more. What was he a…[Read more]

You keep wanting this to be about the Jesus and it simply isn’t so. The passage you question (vs9) is yet another mistranslation of the Hebrew. The Hebrew for “in his death” is בְּמוֹתוֹ and is the singular form. What is written is בְּמוֹתָיו (verify on biblehub) and is in the plural “in his deaths”, so the passage should read: “An…[Read more]

@Berean,

This is NOT difficult! I never said Israel was sinless and most certainly NOT blameless in their actions against G-d, this is the reason the Israelite’s are in exile!!! This is the reason G-d sent the prophets, to warn them of what was coming if they didn’t change and turn back to G-d. Are we reading from the same tex…[Read more]

I see you ran directly to accusations verses answering questions or proving your stance. Please tell me what my sin is and have need to cleanse myself for.

I stumbled across a verse (Amos 3:7) and have mentioned it a few time now and have been met with complete silence, it confirms the Jesus is NOT the true Messiah. According to…[Read more]

It describes the servant as innocent.

Go back a few post where I showed how “innocent” the Jesus was; he was violent, deceitful, was desired, and he wasn’t so hideous that people avoided him. For most of it I gave NT passages showing who the Jesus really was. So your the Jesus doesn’t fit Isaiah 53 either.

The general christi…[Read more]

You were told it was a singular person; now prove it. I can prove the nation Israel was referred to the singular many times, so to say this passage specifically refers to a singular person (the Jesus) means nothing without evidence. To “believe”/“trust”/“have faith” that this passage is referring to the Jesus also means nothing, as…[Read more]

If it’s about a person then you DON’T want it to be about the Jesus because he failed in every instance! You still haven’t proved 53 is speaking of the Jesus; where as I have gone thru the first part of the chapter compared it to the NT and have found fault after fault AND gave you sources for verification. Now who is being stubb…[Read more]

You really need to live up to your moniker “Berean”…remember they are the ones who verified everything.

Don’t thank me for filling in the blanks you were asked to fill in; that’s laziness on your part or the lack of understanding.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on…

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99.9999% on Earth are blinded by the darkness, 99% of all religion is false.

Where did you get these statistics?? There are about 8 billion people on this planet, it would mean there are only 800,000 who aren’t “blinded by the darkness.” This is an interesting statistic considering there are an estimated 9 million Jehovah Witnesses in the world…[Read more]

Apparently you don’t want to go over this chapter again.

As far as who is speaking in the chapter, I’ll fill in the blanks for you since you can’t:

52:13-15 – God describes the suffering and eventual restoration of the servant (Israel) and it shocks the nations.
53:1-3 – The nations restate what God said in 52:13-15.
53:4-9 – The nat…[Read more]

You’re asking a question I have already answered in previous post; I have been over this chapter verse by verse. So to ask this question again…[Read more]

We have been over this verse by verse before and will gladly go over it again; however, part of having a conversation is injecting your thoughts into it and supporting what you believe. Back up what you believe with scripture.

There are basically four sections in this “Fourth Servant Song”; who is speaking where?

52:13-15
53:1-3
53:4-9
53:10-12

You are so far over in your head! You can’t explain what Isaiah 53 is saying; yet, you’re going to use it as “proof” this “servant” is the Jesus?!?!!? You where told it was a reference to the Jesus, not that it’s what the chapter is about. To find out who this “servant” is, one would have to read the previous chapters (start in 41); it…[Read more]

In the Ot,(early NT) they made sacrifices( blood of animals or birds)to get sins blotted out

This is a false understanding that has been pushed by the NT; what did G-d say? It was G-d who said to repent, turn from your wickedness, and HE would remember your sin no more. Do you recall the passage where the prophet Hosea (14:2) says, Take…[Read more]

Welcome back, it’s been awhile.

Which side of the “bible” are you speaking of when you say, “You are talking about God’s word”?

I have been quoting from the Tanakh and what G-d spoke thru HIS prophets concerning The Messiah and none have been able to refute what I have written OR substantiate what they believe is truth with the…[Read more]

Of course Hebrew names have a meaning behind them, but what does that have to do with the fact the Jesus was NOT named Immanuel as was supposedly prophesied about him in Isa 7:14? The passage chrisianity clings to every christmas claiming his mother was impregnated by G-d and she was a “virgin”, making the Jesus a demigod…so Gre…[Read more]

She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus, because he will save the people from their sins. (Matthew 1:21)

You copy/paste this passage from your “prophetess” and I have a few questions concerning it. I thought this child was to be named “Immanuel” (Isa 7:14) and now his name is “the Jesus.” Then your prophetess…[Read more]

So you wholly rely on the interpretations of man…interesting!

When are you going to read and study what G-d said or do the interpretations of man supersede G-d’s words?

Is this another drive by commentary or will you engage in a conversation?

Your response comes from my comment to Lightenup where he says the Tanakh DOESN’T say The Messiah is to come twice and your response is “logic”?!??! Please enlighten me! The only “logic” needed is what the Tanakh says.

The Tanakh says The Messiah is to be a d…[Read more]

How have I spoken “rudely” to you; please provide examples. To say you have given “many hours of thoughtful responses”… REALLY!! you’ve peddled what you have been taught (the irony is, it’s mostly the same thing I was taught); I want truth! You’ve run from virtually every question I’ve asked.

To the “general reader”, if you can…[Read more]

You speak of “veils” blinding people from seeing the truth; yet, you haven’t provided any proof the Jesus is THE Messiah (parachuting onto a verse, copy/paste theology, and misinterpreting the Tanakh doesn’t count as proof). Do you know who THE Messiah will be or what he will do according to the Tanakh? If the Jesus’ life per the N…[Read more]

Did you do as I said and go back a few pages where this discussion began? Mary has NOTHING to do with lineage and Ezra explains that; why did the men tell their foreign wives and children to go away? Jewishness is maternal and comes from the mother, NOT the father. Never mind the fact the Luke account goes thru David’s son Nathan and NOT…[Read more]

The passage you are quoting is from Psalm 45:

6 Your throne, O God, is permanent. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice. 7 You love justice and hate evil. For this reason God, your God has anointed you with the oil of joy, elevating you above your companions.

This Psalm is a romantic poem celebrating the Davidic king’s m…[Read more]

Let’s have a quick lesson in truth!

This discussion has circled around one repeated claim: that Jesus cannot be the Messiah because “the Messiah must have a biological father from Solomon’s line.” The problem is that this requirement is not found anywhere in the Tanakh. It is an assumption being treated as a divine rule.

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Let’s have a quick lesson in truth!

This discussion has circled around one repeated claim: that Jesus cannot be the Messiah because “the Messiah must have a biological father from Solomon’s line.” The problem is that this requirement is not found anywhere in the Tanakh. It is an assumption being treated as a divine rule.…[Read more]

Proverbs 30 does?!?!?

We’ve been over this passage and the answer is G-d is the only who has done all of these things; however the question is rhetorical and obviously doesn’t need and answer. Even Agur, who claims to be the dumbest of the dumb, knows this…and you don’t??!?

“Who has ascended into heaven, and then…[Read more]

Was it too much to read?

Soooooooo, you can’t prove the Jesus is The Messiah! I understand, I can’t make you see what you don’t want to see; I can only present it. The reality is, it’s up to you to make the choice and I can attest it’s a hard one…for months I kept what I was finding to myself. Also, you would spend less time lear…[Read more]

You keep saying “Prove Jesus is the Messiah” and then narrowing that demand to one point: “He has no biological father, therefore his lineage cannot be traced, therefore he cannot be the Messiah.”

It isn’t just a “single point” where the Jesus fails; this is the beginning point. If the Jesus cannot/does not pass this, he ISN’T The Mes…[Read more]

In NONE of what your wrote did you prove the Jesus is The Messiah! I wrote on how the Jesus couldn’t be The Messiah starting with the birth narrative and you respond with criticism of what the Tanakh says, calling what I wrote assumptions; except what would have been the understanding of procreation in the time of Moses? Keep r…[Read more]

Jesus did not have a biological father.

Then we have a problem! The word for descendant used in the passages concerning David’s throne is “zera”, which means to produce after one’s own kind – making it biological. Did you not read Num 1:2, 18, 2:2, 32; Ezra 2:59? How is tribal lineage determined going all the way back to Moses? You sai…[Read more]

I didn’t ask about messianic references, as we’ll most likely agree on a fair number of them; I asked to PROVE the Jesus IS the Messiah and to begin with the birth narrative.

Who is the Jesus’ biological father and does this fit with what G-d said concerning tribal lineage and sons being counted with their fathers house (Num 1:2, 18,…[Read more]

Prove the Jesus is the Messiah! If that cannot be established, everything thing we are talking about is a waste of time. If the Jesus isn’t the Messiah, who cares what the unknown writer of Hebrews says or claims the Jesus is, or how it aligns or doesn’t align with the Tanakh, or if it fits a Messianic prophecy or not.

This takes us…[Read more]

Point 1. I don’t disagree with at all; upon further study, Davidic kingship can be applied to mean Messianic. Now we roll back to my original question, is the Jesus the true Messiah and can this be applied to him.

Point 2. I agree with what you wrote, you articulated it better than I did; the main idea of what I said is that this c…[Read more]

I can’t believe I allowed you suck me into this rabbit hole and away from what was originally said, stop wasting time; does Hebrews chapter one claim all that is quoted from the Tanakh is applied to the Jesus or not? If yes, then explain and support it with the Tanakh, not with the writings and musing of man; if no, then rip the b…[Read more]

In response to post 948112

No, I’m reading the words written and the words written, don’t match…can’t have the 60+ different interpretations in front of me at all times. I’m comparing your translation of choice (NASB) to the Jewish Study Bible. If you need to justify your belief by using a translation that has fallen into obscuri…[Read more]

Desire truth. Psalm 45:7 did not call Jesus Elohim, It stated that he has an Elohim( God)

“You love justice and hate evil. For this reason God, your God has anointed you with the oil of joy, elevating you above your companions.”

Who is the “you” that is being anointed? The Jesus??? If so, you’re going have to tell me when the Jesus is…[Read more]

In response to post 948115, would you like some cheese with your whine?

When you answer every question I ask, then you’ll have grounds to stand on to lecture me! Besides, does reading and comprehension fail you? I originally stated “I initially started a long response to what you said, but abandoned it.” What part of that do you N…[Read more]