1. Isaiah 53

Who is speaking where in this soliloquy? One must begin reading at the end of chapter 52, this is where this last “servant song” begins (why was it cut where it was…hmmm). Who is the servant (begin reading in chapter 41)? It’s not the Jesus!! Verse 10 is a tricky one to apply to the Jesus; unless of course one belie…[Read more]

Proverbs 8 is poetry; quit making it what it isn’t. It’s wisdom personified, given human like qualities (calls, speaks, loves, hates, walks, gives, rejoices, and is “brought forth”), and that’s it! Of course wisdom was there “with” G-d before creation and “saw” everything come to be; wisdom IS G-d and not something separate from HIM…[Read more]

Jesus is NOT biologically from Solomon’s dynasty, but He IS legally from Solomon’s dynasty through Joseph. Biological descent from David comes through Mary; legal kingship comes through Joseph. The Messiah needs both—and Jesus fulfills both.

You are absolutely 100% correct that the Jesus is NOT biologically from Solomon’s dynasty…[Read more]

Point 1

Sefaria

Biblehub

The Sefaria link gives the definition of: “to get, acquire, create, buy, possess”; does it say create is one of its meanings??

Clicking the Biblehub link scroll to section 1, sub a. What does that say; “of God as originating, creating” and look, does it say Prov 8:22?!?!!? Are you done beating the dead ho…[Read more]

Translations are also becoming an issue; which one are we using or is this the “battle of the translations and mine is more correct than yours”? I use a Jewish to English translation, wanting to stay as close to the original writings as possible; what do you use, is it a translation of a translation?

One of the scriptures I reference…[Read more]

Can you admit this:

Proverbs 8 is in the Tanakh and it shows that someone was born of God before creation and was with God.

The major problem with what you wrote is “someone was born of God before creation”; have no idea where you are getting that from any translation. Almost every translation I have looked at (38 on BibleHub) hav…[Read more]

Did you actually read the Proverb? In verse 3 it says “she cries out:” and what is she proclaiming? EVERYTHING AFTER THAT!! Grammar is your friend. Don’t forget to look out for those pesky quotation marks as she is continuing to “cry out.”

Guess again!

The Son was born/begotten before the creation of the depths and mountains. A bir…

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Now begin reading from verse one; who is speaking throughout the entire chapter? Are you paying attention to the quotation marks? Apparently you didn’t read what I wrote on this chapter a few posts back.

Also, why are you starting toward the end of the chapter? I’ll ask again, do you begin reading a novel in the middle? If not, wh…[Read more]

Once again, what you are sighting is “polluted”; it is not based in the Tanakh. I do not base anything on the interpretive minds of man; to site Philo as an authoritative source falls flat; he was a GREEK PHILOSOPHER who happened to be Jewish…big whoop! To site this Jew or that Jew because they believed this or that, is it true Jud…[Read more]

We’re going in circles.

Philo was a Jewish Greek philosopher (Hellenized Jew) and if that is your proof for wisdom being divine and the creator of the world, you need to find another source as his perspective is from Greek philosophy and NOT Judaism.

You then site a book (Sirach) that is not in any biblical translation as p…[Read more]

Do you understand how grammar works? Quotation marks signifies speech and that speech is attached to the one who is speaking; can you explain why suddenly in the middle of the chapter there is a paragraph that shifts away from the original speaker to point to another in meaning and context?

Why did you ignore everything else written…[Read more]

That’s an interesting interpretation of Prov 8:22-31; except there is more to this chapter than nine verses. Does believing something make it truth or do you believe what you believe because it fits your religious beliefs?

To understand these nine verses, one MUST start at the beginning of the chapter. Do you start in the middle of a…[Read more]

What is this being, according to your understanding of the Hebrew Scriptures?

There’s your misunderstanding, wisdom is not a “being”; wisdom is a characteristic. Wisdom is a gift from G-d given to mankind before G-d created everything, as Solomon writes. Wisdom in this chapter is personified and given man like qualities; does this…[Read more]

Please explain the point you’re trying to make concerning Proverbs 8. Make a statement or ask the question.

Please don’t try to psychoanalyze me…it won’t end well 🙂

The “crux” has nothing to do with creation (although what I understand today is opposite of chrisitanity); the “crux” is the christian church lied to me for 40 years and I have only recently come to realize it. My journey started with asking my pastor questions to the poin…[Read more]

Your second set of “if you can’t prove the opposite, your wrong and I’m right” childish arguments.

Where does the Tanakh say the Messiah must come from Solomon specifically?

II Sam 7:12 and I Chron 28:7 are the two passages I already gave you; unless you don’t understand the “birds and the bees.” Every person up to Solomon was c…[Read more]

Your response is bewildering! You can’t support what you believe so you’re going to use reverse arguments to support it; because to doesn’t say it’s not there, it is?!??? A pastor tried this on me once; we’re adults, not grade-schoolers on a playground. Either you can support what you believe or you can’t; if you can’t, why do you…[Read more]

When God says He will make Solomon’s dynasty “permanent,” He does not mean an endless biological chain of Solomon’s sons ruling on earth.

OBVIOUSLY!!!! Jecohiah had his kingship removed and the line of kings ended. Read Hosea 3:4-5 where G-d tells Israel they would be without a king until the end of days (that’s a good one for a lat…[Read more]

Proverbs 30:4 is a riddle about the identity of a divine figure.

How did I know you were going to say it’s a riddle! Why do you believe it’s a riddle? What if there isn’t anything mysterious about the passage at all and it’s just Solomon using wisdom to express the power of G-d that no man possesses, no matter the level of power o…[Read more]

You didn’t answer this question:

So what does G-d mean when he says of Solomon “I will make his dynasty permanent” or “I will grant to his dynasty permanent rule over Israel”?

Who’s dynasty will be made permanent and who made the promise?

1. “God sent His Son” — Tanakh foundation

The Tanakh repeatedly speaks of a divine figure sent by God who is distinct from God yet shares His nature.

– Prov 30:4 — “What is His name, and what is His Son’s name, if you know?”

Explain how Prov 30:4 is a reference for God sending His Son; and how the Jesus is shown to be “a divine figur…[Read more]

My apologizes, I said things that you weren’t privy to in the past as you weren’t apart of those conversations. Most everything you just stated I have commented on. The only personal thing I asked was is it fear or stubbornness that keeps you where you are; nothing more, nothing less. If you feel this is a personal attack, it is not…[Read more]

God the Father sent His only begotten Son into the world as a bond servant, fully man while still remaining eternally divine, as the promised Messiah. Born of the seed of Abraham through Mary who married Joseph. The Messiah is sitting at the right hand of the Father who will put all His enemies under His feet.

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So what does G-d mean when he says of Solomon “I will make his dynasty permanent” or “I will grant to his dynasty permanent rule over Israel”?

You responded to Lightenup with the following:

It is prophesied that Jesus would come through Davids lineage, Solomon is his Davids son.

Absolutely!

It could be any son of Davids.

NOT AT ALL!! Read 2 Samuel 7:12 When the time comes for you to die, I will raise up your descendant, one of your own sons, to succeed you, and I will establish…[Read more]

Please re-read “He will build a house for my name, and I will make his dynasty permanent.” The one who built the Temple is the same whose dynasty will be permanent…it is speaking of Solomon and no other son.

Again it says, “He will build a temple to honor me; he will become my son, and I will become his father. I will grant to hi…[Read more]

1. “Messiah must come through Solomon, not Nathan.”
The Tanakh never states that requirement. The promises to David in 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22 establish a dynasty, not a single-branch requirement. Later prophets describe the future ruler as:
– “a shoot from the stump of Jesse” (Isa 11:1)
– “a righteous Branch for David” (Jer 2…

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Jesus is biologically the seed of David through Mary whose father provides the tribal lineage.

Now we’re going in circles and you’re parroting what you have been told is truth. You still haven’t explained how Mary can be used for lineage when her lineage is traced back to David thru Nathan and who did G-d say the Messiah was to be a…[Read more]

“what ‘thought’ do I want to address?”

That’s a loaded question!

When we previously left off we were discussing how the Jesus could be the true Messiah. He wasn’t conceived of man, but of the spirit according to Matthew and Luke. You claim that thru adoption the Jesus can be the Messiah; yet, it was G-d who said the Messiah wou…[Read more]

And that’s the point, there isn’t enough information given to make a 100% deduction of why Noah cursed his grandson. BUT, your happy with your “belief” to say Noah was “careless” in what he said in cursing Canaan because he was “drunk.” Except the passage doesn’t support Noah was “careless” in his speech; he knew something was amiss a…[Read more]

They do not understand the meaning of the end-times prophecy, particularly Daniel 2 and 7

Do you? They are speaking of the same thing; christianity has twisted the end of chapter 7 to fit a “returning the Jesus” narrative. Concerning Revelation, still waiting for an explanation of what it means for something to happen “soon” as the Jesus states in…[Read more]

Your believing Noah “lashed” out after getting drunk is only a belief, it can’t be supported scripturally; but rather it would seem is a teaching of a religion and their condemnation of alcohol. Noah got drunk, did something stupid, past out, and when he woke was angry and lashed out – see how bad drinking alcohol is.

You say “all…[Read more]

For Ham to see his father naked but his child is the one who is cursed seems over the top, which is why I say Ham did something bad to his father; so bad that Noah would curse his son and why the fourth son and not his eldest. Ham did something to Noah and this is what we don’t get in this passage; we never learn what happened and t…[Read more]

I think the more important question is what did Ham do to Noah that he would curse Canaan (What land did the Israelite’s take possession of…hmm – coincidence). To be cursed because Ham saw his father naked doesn’t make sense as it doesn’t fit the punishment; besides, how would Noah have known he saw him naked? He was covered when…[Read more]

You do realize this is suppose to be a world wide happening…right???!?! The world is suppose to fall under the beast and NOT a single nation. Your fake prophetess said the same thing 150 years ago and guess what, NOTHING!! Didn’t she also predict the coming of the Jesus twice? Additionally, every link sited is about year or two old;…[Read more]

What of the following did Jesus fulfill? To claim this will happen when the Jesus returns, please tell me where G-d said the messiah was to come twice. Even the Jesus doesn’t say he’ll do any of this! When he comes back, he’s going to judge the world NOT unite it under G-d.

The Messiah must be Jewish 
“…you may appoint a king over y…[Read more]

The question has never been whether G-d established a day of rest at creation, it is when. What day did G-d start creation so we know what day was the last? We use a calendar today to count time; there was day and night at creation. I’ll ask again to whom were the “10 Commands” given at Mt. Sinai, Israel or the world?

In NOTHING you c…[Read more]

I think I have finally figured out your religious beliefs; you believe you are “the remnant Church of end-time Bible prophecy” and believe you have a “special role as ambassadors of God’s kingdom and messengers of the soon return of Jesus Christ.” The religion has been “enlisted as co-workers with God in His mission of reclaiming…[Read more]

If the Jesus is your “Lord”, doesn’t that put something between you and G-d? I think G-d has a word for that…hmmm, idolatry?

Apparently I’m missing something when I read the words the Jesus said, because the works being spoken of are the miracles he was performing. The text literally says it; however, it has been twisted to say what it doesn’t BECAUSE none are doing the miraculous signs and wonders the Jesus promised they would.

Where do you get that the…[Read more]

Concerning your other post about adoption; the adoption narrative is moot and really a waste of time to debate UNLESS you can back up what you are saying with proof, because what you’re presenting is “hear say” and you’re really applying today’s standards of an “adoption” to an event 2000 years ago; did you read the link I gave you,…[Read more]

I am amazed at how much people read between the lines when discussing the bible; either words have meaning and they mean what they say or they’re simply a literary device that can be interpreted anyway one decides and is how we end up with multiple meanings…is it any wonder why there are so many “christian” faiths today, with e…[Read more]

Although Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus, he was Jesus’ legal father. In Jewish culture, legal paternity established family lineage and inheritance rights. He also had a biological descent through Mary, who may also have been a descendant of David. So that is a legal and a possible biological descent.

You may to check a…[Read more]

People have claimed to raise the dead. I saw a demon with my own eyes one time and was able to deliver my brother. The only reason greater works are even possible is because we stand on the shoulders of giants.
Also, much of what future generations have achieved is possible because Jesus is with the Father and he intercedes for us. We…

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If you love God and your fellow man, then you will do the will of God because you love and that means God and all that he has made.

If “love” is all I need to do the “will of G-d” then why do I need the Jesus. Why would I need to listen to a word the Jesus spoke? Are the 613 commands given by G-d insufficient? What did the Jesus s…[Read more]

Isa 7:14 “For this reason the sovereign master himself will give you a confirming sign. Look, this young woman is about to conceive and will give birth to a son. You, young woman, will name him Immanuel.”

Please read the entire chapter of Isaiah 7 and tell me it’s about a coming “messiah.” If by one singular verse you can make the…[Read more]

Still love bashing the Catholics from one side your mouth and from the other say how much you love them. How can you “love” someone when you continually bash them; you “love” someone by building them up, not continually tear them down. We call that double speak; let your yes be yes, and your no be no – pick a side.

Found something…[Read more]