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    @Proclaimer,

    “how can the Jesus be of the line of David if she had never been with a man?”

    Legally, through Joseph, since in Jewish tradition adoption or naming gave full rights to a father’s lineage; and possibly biologically, if Mary herself was also descended from David, as some believe Luke’s genealogy suggests.

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    @Proclaimer,

    Concerning the Ezekiel 28 passage, you recognize a different title can be used to address the same person, just not in this case; why, because it doesn’t align with your belief system or I have to be wrong? You haven’t proved me wrong, just that you believe something different; who’s arguing?

    I gave you a scriptural examples of bo…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    Judas served the true living God, then turned and sold Gods son–

    When is it recorded Judas was serving G-d? What is recorded is he was a follower of the Jesus. There are a couple issues with the Judas narrative; first we get two separate accounts, did he hang himself or he fall headlong and his belly burst open. Why two different a…[Read more]

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    @Proclaimer,

    Satan appears rarely in the Old Testament, but the messiah had much to say about him.

    Did the Jesus fulfill what was spoken about the Messiah in the Tanakh? If not, can he be called the Messiah; if so, what did he fulfill, please site the passage in the NT and the corresponding passage from the Tanakh?

    The Old Testament also says…

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    @Proclaimer,

    Been awhile for those questions; but your responses unfortunately are a prime example of what the church says when it can’t answer a question they aren’t prepared for or don’t have an answer to and that’s to provide vague, none answers. To say the end is a mystery and is revealed thru symbols that only at the “right time” true unders…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    Why are you also afraid to answer questions? I specifically asked:

    What do the religious leaders saying “blessed is he” to the Jesus have to do with being “restored”? You said it, please support it.

    Who are G-d’s chosen today? I KNOW you have a thought on that one!

    Any who serve the true God, then do and teach things against his will=…

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    @Berean,

    In nothing you copied and pasted does it explain the inconsistencies of the Jesus words saying he came to divide and not bring peace to what the true Messiah is to do, and that is to bring peace to the world and unit mankind in worship of G-d

    Your writer continues on with nonsense by stating Isaiah predicted the birth of the Jesus,…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    The Jewish religion is apostatized to this day–Jesus told them off at Matt 23 and until they do verse 39 they are cut off( verse 38) of being Gods chosen.

    I don’t think we have the same understanding of the word “apostasy”; when you say the “religion” is apostatized I am confused. Apostasy is to “abandon one’s religious faith”, so a…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    They (Isaelite’s) apostatized and are to this day.

    I need clarification of this statement, are you saying the Jewish people abandoned G-d or G-d abandoned them?

    Jesus started 1 new one (religion).

    What is the one new religion, if one doesn’t follow, they’re in darkness?

     

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    @Keith,

    I find it humorous you saying our discussion on Ezekiel “isn’t going anywhere.” It isn’t going anywhere because you’re not answering the questions. Are you afraid of what you will find and that it WON’T align with what you have been told is truth? Here’s the wonderful news, once you discover the truth, you will have freedom from the shack…[Read more]

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    @Keith,
    So you didn’t read the passage in the context it was written and believe only what your religion told you to believe…understood. Hoping you would elaborate on who the “you” is…Oh well, I can’t make you verify anything; you have to want truth verses religion. Remember, I walked the christian lifestyle for 40 years before my eyes where o…[Read more]

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    @Proclaimer,

    Concerning your second reply to the “ruler of this world”; I asked for proof from the Tanakh NOT the NT. I want where G-d said Satan is the ruler of this world a not man, which is who you quoted.

    I thought you knew I’ve rejected the NT entirely from the inconsistencies I’ve pointed out; if you didn’t, now you do. Do you have…[Read more]

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    @Proclaimer,

    Ezekiel 28 first addresses the ‘prince of Tyre’ (Ezekiel 28:1-10) and then shifts to address the ‘king of Tyre’ (Ezekiel 28:11-19).

    They are one and the same. Did you find the parallels between both prophecies? Studying is your friend.

    The first section about the prince of Tyre is directed at a human ruler who is proud and claims…

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    @Keith,

    That isn’t proof, that’s called assumptions (or parroting); the text as a whole doesn’t support G-d speaking of Satan, HE is addressing the king HE is about to judge, along with the city because of their corruption/sin.

    Did you read beginning in verse 1 or not; did you compare verses 1-10 to verses 11-19 (magically a parallel); did you…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    Now you’re just making stuff up! It says nothing of the sort…showing the king of Tyre who the fallen angel is?!?!?Thankfully I wasn’t drinking anything because I would have spit it all over my screen. Where did you come up with that and do you seriously believe it?!?!?

    Reread 28:11-19 and go verse by verse explaining what’s happening.…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    WHEN does it change, at the word “cherub”?!?!? Then does it shift back to the king of Tyre? Who is the “you” in this entire passage referring? What your saying doesn’t make sense; either it’s all about Satan or it’s all about the king, it CANNOT be both! Since it begins with addressing the king of Tyre, IT HAS TO BE TO THE KING OF TYRE…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    When it states–you were in Eden–ALL know 100% the king of Tyre was not in Eden, but its talking about the anointed Cherub=satan.–verse 14 says its the anointed Cherub=in Eden=the fallen angel.

    I never stated or implied the king was in Eden; in fact I said he wasn’t, couldn’t have been.  But that’s not even the question or a point of conten…[Read more]

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    @Proclaimer,

    I didn’t ask if Satan was the “god” of this world, I asked who the “ruler” of this world is. This distinction makes a huge difference in understanding. I won’t argue against christians MAKING Satan a “god” by applying and projecting all evil onto him, making him the patsy for every evil inclination and sinful act of mankind, and fo…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    Can’t really asked someone who’s dead; but the ones I quoted are ones used to educate other pastors…soooo.

    You still haven’t given me any names of those who support your thesis Ezekiel was speaking of Satan. You still haven’t identified the “you” in the passage. You still haven’t explained why you believe it’s a reference to Satan, oth…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    What have you explained? You said according to scholars Satan is to be understood in Ezk 28:13; except, I posted the writings of some prominent christian scholars who state the prophecy is about the king of Tyre. I asked who these scholars claiming the passage is a reference to Satan and you gave nothing, provide the proof of your…[Read more]

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