@ Carmel,

I am stunned by your response! None of what you said is supported by scripture. The only thing that comes to mind is, “get behind me Satan.” Then to claim you are a “true christian” as if not believing as you do somehow makes a “false Christian.”

It is no wonder the “church” is falling apart, you have created Jesus, a self proclaim…[Read more]

@Gene,

I realize what I have been writing lately goes against everything I have said in the past; but, what Paul said about the Messiah is huge by claiming “according to scripture” the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind, be buried, and raised on the third day. Paul wasn’t saying when you read between lines of the OT you will find Jesus,…[Read more]

@Carmel,

Once again you are reading between the lines; when God said HE created man in HIS image and likeness, HE was only referring to Jesus?!? In what image and likeness was man created then, if not in God’s as He stated? Are you seriously claiming we were actually created in the image of Jesus?!? If this is the case, then Jesus is the God of t…[Read more]

@Gene,

King James has some serious issues! It is changing the tenses of verbs and thus changing the context of what is written, therefore changing scripture; thus making the translation a corrupt version. If you are going to rely on the “spirit of truth” to discern for you, you are making a huge mistake. The “spirit of truth” is what or whom? J…[Read more]

@Carmel,

I don’t know if you accidentally or intentionally made the connection; but, an astute observation in God’s relationship with the nation of Israel. To the nation of Israel and only the nation of Israel is God ever mentioned as being a “father” and I never proposed anything different. That is NOT to say a non-Jew cannot have a relatio…[Read more]

@Carmel,

What is this convoluted mess you speak?!?! God never referred to himself as a “Father”??!?! Is this a joke?!? Oh wait, God never referred to himself as the “TRUE” Father. Is it possible you can mince words any more than you do? I’m sorry, your falsehoods are getting tiresome!

God speaking in Jer 31:9 “They went forth with weeping, an…[Read more]

@Gene,

Sorry, have been extremely busy and haven’t had time to respond.

Agreed, Israel didn’t suffer for the “sins” of other nations, they suffered because they where disobedient to God, did their own thing, and were judged accordingly. However the words must be put into perspective of what is happening starting in Isa 52. Israel is being r…[Read more]

@Gene,

The basic definition of “our” is to show possession of or a belonging to and is used as a plural…going simple. So to say “our Father” simply means this “father” isn’t reserved to an individual, but belongs to all and is everyone’s “father.”

Now let’s take a look at Isa 53:1; “Who has believed our message?” Who is this “our” speaking? T…[Read more]

@Gene,

Give me a moment, your questions require a more in depth response and I will get to it.

Thanks for your patience.

@Danny,

You aren’t addressing the question of who is speaking starting in Isa 53:1; you’re running back to what you have been told and copy/pasting scripture without explanation.

Is Jesus the “suffering servant” in Isa 53, NO! I’ll try one more time, start reading in chapter 41 and who is this “servant”? If you don’t do this, we will keep going…[Read more]

@Carmel,

Are you unable to answer those questions yourself? Take your “spiritual” goggles off, read the text before you, and tell me what is being said. Interpret the chapter in your own words.

Funny how you say I am not ready for the truth; however, when the plain truth is presented, you reject it (who’s not ready?!?!). Reading Isa 53, placi…[Read more]

@Danny,

I’m starting feel like a broken record, who is speaking in Isa 53:1? The “our” in verse four is the same “our” in verse one; who is this “our”? What message was so unbelievable in verse one?

@Berean,

You are quoting Isa 53 AGAIN, I have shown it isn’t a reference to Jesus and canNOT be a reference to him.

“he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.”

Jesus didn’t have children, his days where kind of short, how did the “pleasure of the Lord prosper in his hand”?

“by his…[Read more]

@Danny,

There’s that pesky “according to scripture” statement from Paul. Now find it in the old testament!

@Proclaimer,

I have an issue with the new testament IF what Paul wrote isn’t in the old testament. I still haven’t found where the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind or where the innocent are responsible for the guilt of another. This basic premise is what the entire new testament is about. IF neither of these basic ideas are stated w…[Read more]

@Gene,

Thank you for your kinds words and encouragement.

@Proclaimer,

Don’t vouch for anything on that site; it’s filled with lies, with truth spattered here and there. The claim is Isa 53, Ps 16, Ps 22 are references to Jesus; I have looked into all of those passages and they don’t say what we where told they said. If you are simply looking at the English translations, you’re missing it; go to the sou…[Read more]

@Gene,

You have to understand where I am coming from, I have been “inside” the church for almost 40 years and when I look back today, it looks like a cult (I did not say “occult”). Did you receive the private message I sent you? What I told you wraps everything up with a tidy little bow.

You say the Jews will corrupt my mind; tell me how the “ch…[Read more]

@Danny,

You responded to nothing I wrote to either refute or confirm; and now I am “antichrist” because I don’t see Jesus in Isa 53?!?!?? How about instead of being judgmental, do some research into what you believe and confirm it’s truth, instead of hitting the “I Believe Button.”

By the way, I have never denied God and you have yet to produce…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

You have come up with an interesting “thought” explaining who the “our” is; however, it doesn’t fit and we still don’t know who the “our” actually is, you have once again speculated. The words written by Isaiah tell you who the “our” is; there is no guessing or speculating, you just have to read it, it tells you who is speaking. Ze…[Read more]