@Gene,

Sorry, have been extremely busy and haven’t had time to respond.

Agreed, Israel didn’t suffer for the “sins” of other nations, they suffered because they where disobedient to God, did their own thing, and were judged accordingly. However the words must be put into perspective of what is happening starting in Isa 52. Israel is being r…[Read more]

@Gene,

The basic definition of “our” is to show possession of or a belonging to and is used as a plural…going simple. So to say “our Father” simply means this “father” isn’t reserved to an individual, but belongs to all and is everyone’s “father.”

Now let’s take a look at Isa 53:1; “Who has believed our message?” Who is this “our” speaking? T…[Read more]

@Gene,

Give me a moment, your questions require a more in depth response and I will get to it.

Thanks for your patience.

@Danny,

You aren’t addressing the question of who is speaking starting in Isa 53:1; you’re running back to what you have been told and copy/pasting scripture without explanation.

Is Jesus the “suffering servant” in Isa 53, NO! I’ll try one more time, start reading in chapter 41 and who is this “servant”? If you don’t do this, we will keep going…[Read more]

@Carmel,

Are you unable to answer those questions yourself? Take your “spiritual” goggles off, read the text before you, and tell me what is being said. Interpret the chapter in your own words.

Funny how you say I am not ready for the truth; however, when the plain truth is presented, you reject it (who’s not ready?!?!). Reading Isa 53, placi…[Read more]

@Danny,

I’m starting feel like a broken record, who is speaking in Isa 53:1? The “our” in verse four is the same “our” in verse one; who is this “our”? What message was so unbelievable in verse one?

@Berean,

You are quoting Isa 53 AGAIN, I have shown it isn’t a reference to Jesus and canNOT be a reference to him.

“he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.”

Jesus didn’t have children, his days where kind of short, how did the “pleasure of the Lord prosper in his hand”?

“by his…[Read more]

@Danny,

There’s that pesky “according to scripture” statement from Paul. Now find it in the old testament!

@Proclaimer,

I have an issue with the new testament IF what Paul wrote isn’t in the old testament. I still haven’t found where the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind or where the innocent are responsible for the guilt of another. This basic premise is what the entire new testament is about. IF neither of these basic ideas are stated w…[Read more]

@Gene,

Thank you for your kinds words and encouragement.

@Proclaimer,

Don’t vouch for anything on that site; it’s filled with lies, with truth spattered here and there. The claim is Isa 53, Ps 16, Ps 22 are references to Jesus; I have looked into all of those passages and they don’t say what we where told they said. If you are simply looking at the English translations, you’re missing it; go to the sou…[Read more]

@Gene,

You have to understand where I am coming from, I have been “inside” the church for almost 40 years and when I look back today, it looks like a cult (I did not say “occult”). Did you receive the private message I sent you? What I told you wraps everything up with a tidy little bow.

You say the Jews will corrupt my mind; tell me how the “ch…[Read more]

@Danny,

You responded to nothing I wrote to either refute or confirm; and now I am “antichrist” because I don’t see Jesus in Isa 53?!?!?? How about instead of being judgmental, do some research into what you believe and confirm it’s truth, instead of hitting the “I Believe Button.”

By the way, I have never denied God and you have yet to produce…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

You have come up with an interesting “thought” explaining who the “our” is; however, it doesn’t fit and we still don’t know who the “our” actually is, you have once again speculated. The words written by Isaiah tell you who the “our” is; there is no guessing or speculating, you just have to read it, it tells you who is speaking. Ze…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,
To say I “made some big leaps.” Careful how you tread; to discount what I have written is to say Rabbi’s are clueless and have no understanding of the Tanakh. You want to learn what we call the old testament, find a Rabbi who is teaching it and learn. Modern scholars are clueless in comparison, which is why we have the belief Isa 5…[Read more]

@Berean

@Danny

Apparently I am not suppose to be speaking on this topic, because neither of you are grasping what I am asking. I asked my youngest child the same question I asked you Berean at the beginning and they picked up immediately the point I was going to make and I am extremely careful what I say to them at this point.

I am tired of…[Read more]

@Danny,

My “conversion” was at a speaking engagement; but similar to yours.

What was written in the pamphlet that caused you to question the path you were on?

@Berean,

If you have heard of Jesus and you accept him where do you end up? If you have heard of Jesus and you reject him where do you go? Is that better!

Explain in a single sentence why you would choose one scenario over the other?

@Proclaimer,

If only verse 1 was talking about the unbelief of Israel, and being prefaced by “could be” tell me you’re not really sure yourself and are guessing. When was the last time you picked up a book, read a random paragraph from it, and where able to discuss what the book was about? My guess never, so why would you do that with God’s W…[Read more]

@Danny,

Tell me why you became a “christian”? What was said that “opened” your eyes? Was it the possibility of not going to heaven?