@Gene,

I have already explained who is speaking where in the fourth “Servant Song” in post #943966. The shocked nations are speaking in verses 1-9 and giving their explanation why the Israelite nation suffered. The nations are the “our” and “we.” Simple! But to understand it you have to unlearn what you have been told. You have to apply the w…[Read more]

@Gene,

What about what I wrote concerning Isa 53?

I knew someone would respond with the Abraham/Isaac “event.” Yet, Isaac wasn’t sacrificed; this was a test by God. Isaac’s blood wasn’t spilled on an alter, so there was no sacrifice done. God tested, Abraham passed, and his reward was: Gen 22 “17. That I will surely bless you, and I will greatl…[Read more]

@Carmel,

Don’t know the period means; if you sent something, it didn’t come through.

@Proclaimer,

YOU: “If I had an enemy and I had a plan to defeat him within the laws that I myself set, then I wouldn’t be stupid enough to divulge that plan verbatim like you are expecting.”

ME: Are you saying “Satan” was to stupid to understand what was written in the OT?!?! Now there’s a good laugh! What exactly was “hidden” in the OT that man…[Read more]

@Carmel

I am super confused by what you’re actually looking for. I have already explained what I believe is happening in these verses. For some reason you believe there is more. All I read is Daniel praising God for revealing a dream that was “hidden.” Again, apparently my reading and comprehension skills pale to yours.

Daniel 2:22 He revea…[Read more]

@Berean,

I wasn’t asking about your personal experience; I am talking about the general state of the church today and the conversion process used. Here is what’s written on two separate “christian” tracks picked up in the last year:

Written on a fake “trillion dollar bill”, “The trillion dollar question: will you go to heaven when you die? Here…[Read more]

@Carnel,

Please enlighten all of us with your “super spiritual” thinking. Fix our “carnal” mindset and explain this verse, apparently my reading and comprehension skills aren’t as developed as yours.

If God isn’t the one who “reveals”; who does!

If God doesn’t know what is in darkness; who/what is in this particular darkness?

If lig…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Hate to break it to you, not one of those verses cited spoke of a “sacrificed” Messiah. Keep guessing. Start in chapter 41 and read through 55, then tell me who the “servant” is. If you don’t read this section of Isaiah, placing it in the context it was written, you’re understanding is limited to what you have been told it says. Yo…[Read more]

@Gene,

What you need to do is forget everything you have been taught about Isa 53; better yet, go verify everything you’ve been taught…is it truth?

For clarity, in what context are you speaking when you ask, “the nation of Israel, has also never done any of those things mentioned in Isa 53.” Are you speaking of verses 1-9 or 10-12? This quest…[Read more]

@Danny,

Danny, Danny, Danny, you still haven’t answered the question of where it states in the OT the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind. Tell me, what’s more important; your religion or truth? Before you go completely religious on me, I was where you are about a month or so ago; that is until I started verifying what I have been told was…[Read more]

@Carmel,

YOU: “Now just explain WHAT DARKNESS IS in the above scriptures, especially THE LAST ONE, please”

ME: Because you wanted me to focus on Daniel 2:22, that is all I will speak on: “He reveals the deep and the hidden things; he knows what is in the darkness, and the light dwells with him.”

As a spiritual understanding, Carmel minded…[Read more]

@Gene,

Let’s say the meaning is “because of”; please find in the OT where the Messiah was to die “because of” the sins of mankind. Again, Paul did state “according to scripture”, this means it’s in the OT.

@Berean,

No one has provided a single passage that states what Paul said in I Cor 15. Every passage given as “proof” has either been read between the lines or taken out of context. Therefore nothing given! Truth isn’t what you believe or want it to be, truths are cold, hard facts. Paul made the claim, now where are the facts?

Isa 53 has been…[Read more]

@Gene,

I Cor 15:3,4 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

I agree with you, individually we will be held accountable before God for our sins, our unrighteousness.…[Read more]

@ Carmel,

I am stunned by your response! None of what you said is supported by scripture. The only thing that comes to mind is, “get behind me Satan.” Then to claim you are a “true christian” as if not believing as you do somehow makes a “false Christian.”

It is no wonder the “church” is falling apart, you have created Jesus, a self proclaim…[Read more]

@Gene,

I realize what I have been writing lately goes against everything I have said in the past; but, what Paul said about the Messiah is huge by claiming “according to scripture” the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind, be buried, and raised on the third day. Paul wasn’t saying when you read between lines of the OT you will find Jesus,…[Read more]

@Carmel,

Once again you are reading between the lines; when God said HE created man in HIS image and likeness, HE was only referring to Jesus?!? In what image and likeness was man created then, if not in God’s as He stated? Are you seriously claiming we were actually created in the image of Jesus?!? If this is the case, then Jesus is the God of t…[Read more]

@Gene,

King James has some serious issues! It is changing the tenses of verbs and thus changing the context of what is written, therefore changing scripture; thus making the translation a corrupt version. If you are going to rely on the “spirit of truth” to discern for you, you are making a huge mistake. The “spirit of truth” is what or whom? J…[Read more]

@Carmel,

I don’t know if you accidentally or intentionally made the connection; but, an astute observation in God’s relationship with the nation of Israel. To the nation of Israel and only the nation of Israel is God ever mentioned as being a “father” and I never proposed anything different. That is NOT to say a non-Jew cannot have a relatio…[Read more]

@Carmel,

What is this convoluted mess you speak?!?! God never referred to himself as a “Father”??!?! Is this a joke?!? Oh wait, God never referred to himself as the “TRUE” Father. Is it possible you can mince words any more than you do? I’m sorry, your falsehoods are getting tiresome!

God speaking in Jer 31:9 “They went forth with weeping, an…[Read more]