@Gene

You still haven’t specified who is speaking where in Isa 53. KJV is one of a few versions that specify a future tense in verse 2 and I have already established the KJV is corrupt because it does change the tenses of words and thus changes the meanings of what is being conveyed; hence needs to be thrown into the trash bin of history.

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@Carmel,

Your writing format is to difficult to follow and I don’t have time to read one liners and decipher what you’re trying to say, try paragraph format, it’s how the rest of the world actually writes.

YOU: Paul used the word “SCRIPTURE”.

It is not enough proof that he was definitely referring to the Old Testament!

Since the word SCRI…[Read more]

@Gene,

The verse doesn’t say “when” he poured…; it says “because” he poured. This conjunction ties into the first part of the verse, “Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong” BECAUSE “he poured out his soul.” What was given Jesus from the many and what did Jesus divide with the strong?…[Read more]

@Berean,

You still cannot ignore the fact that what Jesus compared himself to was destroyed because it was made into an idle. So for you it is just the “pole” that matters.

HOWEVER!!!! You have failed to respond to what I said to you concerning Acts 8. What is your response to the blatant manipulation of the OT? This only one example, I can give…[Read more]

@Carmel,

YOU: WHAT CONVINCED YOU THAT PAUL REFERRED TO THE OLD TESTAMENT?

ME The only scripture available to them in the 1st century was the tanach, the Jewish writings that we today call the “old testament.” What we call the “new testament” didn’t get canonized and become the “new testament” for almost 400 years after Jesus, thus wasn’t “scri…[Read more]

@Gene,

You are not commenting on the rest of the verse; God “crushed” him “to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution” as in a “guilt offering.” You can’t leave that off, because then we’re “cherry picking” the words to make them fit an ideology. If the servant was to offer himself as a “guilt (asham) offering”, that means the servant d…[Read more]

@Carmel,

I Corinthians 15:3-4 are the verses in question; Paul stated “according to scripture” (meaning this is in the OT) and it’s the claim “the Messiah dying for the sins of mankind” and “being buried and raised on the third day.” I am asking for the verses in the OT that support Paul’s statement.

If what Paul states isn’t in the OT, we hav…[Read more]

@Jodi,

Thank you for answering my question of who is speaking where…finally! I will respectfully disagree with your interpretation of who is speaking in Isa 53:1-9 (don’t include verse 10 in this dialogue, verse 10 belongs with 11-12). If you are going to say Isaiah is prophesying what the apostles are going to say speaking of the crucified o…[Read more]

@Berean,

I would recommend what you do is compare the Acts 8:32-33 passage to the OT passage in Isa 53:7-8 and tell me they’re the same. The Acts passage has been modified. Seems a bit naughty to change what Isaiah relayed from God.

Isa 8 “By oppression and judgment He was taken away;”

Acts 33 “In humiliation His judgment was taken away;…[Read more]

@Gene,

It seems Christianity must push/inject Jesus into Isa 53. Is God speaking in verses 10-12 thru Isaiah? If yes, then this response MUST be referring back to the previous section of this chapter. If no, then who is speaking? I am a little perplexed to why most (thank you Jodi) won’t answer who is speaking where in this “song.”

We keep sayin…[Read more]

@Gene,
@Berean,

We can go off on another tangent with Isa 49:1-6 (the second Servant Song); however, we still haven’t finished with who is speaking in Isa 52:13-53:12. It’s as if everyone keeps dodging the question; let’s focus like a laser beam on this ONE topic so we can move on.

@danny,

What an exemplary display of “Christ like” love!

Remember, you have choice to participate in the conversation or ignore it; I can’t make that decision for you.

Have a great day!

@Berean

You don’t read the end of the book, you start at the beginning, and to understand this “ending” one must understand the “beginning.” All must be put into context. Who is speaking where in this “song”? Once we have this established we will move on.

Also, who is the “servant” spoken of starting in chapter 41? If you are unsure, please…[Read more]

@Gene

@Berean

You aren’t listening to my words; nowhere have I implied Israel died for anyone’s sins. Go back to some previous posts and re-read. You and Berean are trying to merge two separate ideas – what I am reading in this passage and what you believe the passages states.

You still haven’t told me who you believe is speaking in the follo…[Read more]

@Danny

So what you are really saying is you can’t explain those chapters in your own words and rely on others to tell you what to believe. Now it makes sense!

@Gene

Now we resort to name calling…

If all you are going to do is reject without verifying, this becomes a waste of time and time for me is all too precious. If you are hung up on the plurality of the words, you really need to start reading in chapter 41 and you will discover how God speaks of HIS servant in the singular. I’m not “fo…[Read more]

@Danny

You copy/pasted someone else’s comments from a website that has been proven to push falsehoods. GotQuestions is horrible and the man running it is a charlatan.

So all you know is Ps 16, Ps 22, and Isa 53 as proof of Jesus dying for the sins of mankind; I have already explained each of these chapters and have shown how they could not be a…[Read more]

@Gene

Obviously my understanding isn’t correct; so please fix it.

I have told you who is speaking where, now it’s your turn. Who is speaking in these places:

Isa 52:13-15 –

Isa 53:1-9 –

Isa 53:10-12 –

As you answer who’s speaking above, make sure you are including with your understanding what’s happening in 52:1-12?

Analyzing what you sai…[Read more]

@Carmel

Apparently what you write is being hidden from me or to whomever you are responding to; just another period ¯_(ツ)_/¯

@Danny

You have yet to explain why this chapter is talking about the Messiah. Do that first before you call me a liar. I did offer an explanation on what’s happening in Isa 53 and have explained it isn’t speaking about the Messiah; post #943966. Where are your responses?

The reality is, you haven’t told me where it states the Messiah was to d…[Read more]