@Gene,

You: “how was “Israel” “EVER”. a suffering servant of God,”

Me: I have explained this to you a few times and posted links back to where I explained it. I have asked you who is speaking where in Is 52:13-53:12 and have offered my understanding of it. Yet, you keep going back to making Israel claiming to be the “suffering” servant and tha…[Read more]

@Berean,

I said, “So we’re back to Jesus being God…false teaching!!”

You respond, “Me: No, Jesus in the beginning was with (the God) AND was God.”

Am I not understanding something here?!?!?

@Carmel,

You: “DT, Why did they take up stones to stone him?”

Me: Please explain John 18:31 where the religious leaders say it wasn’t lawful for them to put anyone to death under Roman law. The leaders were going to stone Jesus in one place and in another they remember they can’t?!?! Something doesn’t make sense.

Then you quote the exchange…[Read more]

@Gene,

You: “Jesus simply was showing us how to stay focused on God, exactly as he did.”

Me: Unfortunately this isn’t what Christianity is about and is why the old side differs from the new side. The old side says God loves his creation and if you go to HIM, admit your sin, turn from your sin, God will remember it no more. The new side says…[Read more]

@Berean,

So we’re back to Jesus being God…false teaching!!

Did Jesus ever claim to be God, NOPE; what became the Catholics faith codified that in stone at the Counsel of Nicea and then almost 50 years later the “spirit” was added to the mix to create the “trinity” doctrine. History is your friend.

@Danny,

How exactly can I be disagreeing with God when HE says HE is the savior??! Again, when did our unchanging God change and pass “saviorship” to the “son”? Have you read Jonah?

I noticed you avoided the question concerning the Messiah; is the Jewish Messiah different than the Christian Messiah or are they the same? Make sure you look it up…[Read more]

@Danny,

That means there’s a contradiction between the OT and NT;  that means our unchanging God, changed; God calls himself savior in the OT, yet is unable to save in the NT. Have to wonder…

I’ll ask again, what is the difference between the Jewish Messiah and the Christian Messiah or are they the same? Before you blurt out your rehearsed…[Read more]

@Gene,

I could go on explaining myself until I am blue in the face; but, until you stop and listen, you will never hear. I could spend the next 20 minutes writing words; but, until you stop and look, you will never see. When you start verifying what you have been told is truth, then you will understand where I currently am.

You say it’s sad I h…[Read more]

@Berean,

What you posted is “messianic Judaism”, a branch of “christianity” where Jews can keep their identity and customs, but follow the “rules” of the christian system. This organization, One for Israel, makes the claim Isa 53 is “the forbidden chapter”, which is a lie. This chapter isn’t “forbidden”, you can find studies done by Jewish teache…[Read more]

@Nick,

“Be Berean”; that is precious, gave me a good chuckle when I read it.

You ridicule Berean for not verifying what he is told and ridicule me for verifying what I’m told. Tell us what parts of scripture are we to verify and which are we to just blindly accept? Sounds like a contradiction to me. What’s humorous about that statement is you…[Read more]

@Nick,

“To reject Paul is to reject his Master Jesus Christ”; so Paul saves too?!!? Do you not see the Idolatry in that statement? If this is what you believe, you can keep it; I want nothing to do with it…utterly stunned!

@Nick,

Has nothing to do with control, it’s me seeking answers. Answers that you are either afraid to answer for fear of the repercussions it will have on your belief system or you have no answer too. You say there is nothing new under the sun; yet, I have apparently uncovered something “new” because no one, including yourself, can answer the…[Read more]

@Nick,

You realize you have addressed nothing in anything I’ve written; so what is your point in responding? Your religious responses do NOT answer my questions; either answer them and offer insight or remain silent. Your meaningless responses further solidifies what I am discovering and confirms that you don’t know why you believe what you b…[Read more]

@Jodi,
My persistence is a demand for truth, I am finding I have wasted 40 years following doctrines of man and not what God said. This isn’t the X-Files where “the truth is out there” as we argue over our interpretation of the bible; God told us HIS simple truth and we need to stop complicating what HE said.

Jonah is a prime example; Jesus made…[Read more]

@Nick,

You still don’t understand, I am merely asking questions and offering additional thoughts, albeit contrary to what I have been taught for over 40 years. You still have answered zero questions; which tells me you aren’t as strong in your faith as you think you are. You keep saying “nothing new under the sun”; then my questions should have…[Read more]

@Nick,

I’m not asking anyone to join me. I’m asking questions that no one seems to be able or willing to answer. Your responses are an excellent example and proves you cannot answer them either. Am I not suppose to question anything? Am I suppose to just blindly accept all that the church tells me? Is blind faith even faith?

Oh wait, I suppose…[Read more]

@Gene,

Either I am not explaining it properly or you are intentionally ignoring/rejecting what is being said.

You: “no where in the Old Testament doe it say Jesus would be in the Grave three days and three nights”

Me: Exactly!! YET, Paul said this was “according to scripture.” If this is “according to scripture”, the only “scripture”…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Everyone seems to forget, I was on the same page (few exceptions) with most posting here. In fact was encouraged in my writings by some. Then about two months ago I came across the I Cor 15:3,4 verse; but didn’t gloss over it this time and everything was overturned…AGAIN! I have been “given” passages that are said to be poi…[Read more]

@Danny,

What is the point of your statement?

The definition of deceive is “to cause to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid.” Please do tell me where or what I have said that caused you to accept what is false or invalid. To be “deceived”, one must accept; so your example of types of “deceivers” makes no sense.

Nowhere have I denied…[Read more]

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