@Jodi,

You: What you are saying is simply not true, to the point it make me think you haven’t read much at all about the bible.

Me: Is this like me telling you to read the prophets and you becoming offended?

You: Does not God destroy the wicked throughout the OT? Does he not punish and kill unbelievers, those who don’t put their trust and faith…[Read more]

@Jodi,

I have asked many questions; they may not have been specifically directed at you, but do remain unanswered.

You say I’m “misinterpreting” the scripture because I say the NT doesn’t align with the Tanakh. I’m reading the words that are there. Let’s take a look why I say the book of Hebrews must be stripped from the bible and tell me if i…[Read more]

@Jodi,

Please head over to biblehub and read the commentaries on 2 Pet 2:4.

I do agree commentators can and do inject some personal bias into their understanding; however, when there are multiple commentators who agree this passage is a reference to heavenly angels are we to ignore the teaching in favor of our personal religious…[Read more]

@Gene

Are you going to continue to ride the coattails of Jodi or are you going offer your own thoughts?

@Jodi,

You: First of all you need to stop saying things like “is there a passage in the Tanakh (OT) that says…” and such the like. It’s pointless to someone who believes that the OT and the NT is God’s word. Do you do the same from one OT book with that of another, why not? Do you question what Isaiah says, if you can’t also find it written…[Read more]

@Jodi,

The Isa 45 passage you site is Isa 46:10, (clarity for others). What is this chapter about, what is God saying through the prophet? In verse 10 God explicitly states HE knows the outcome of everything. HIS plans will be accomplished no matter what and verse 3 tells us who HE is speaking to “Listen to me, house of Jacob, and all the r…[Read more]

@Danny,

Back up one verse to John 8:56 “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day. He saw it, and was glad.” When does Abraham ever talk about expecting a “messiah”? The Jewish nation wasn’t even formed at that time; there was no sinful nation that required a messiah. So what was Jesus speaking of?

If you’re going to claim Jesus saying “I a…[Read more]

@Jodi,

So we can safely say and be in agreement angels cannot sin and all angels are simply messengers of God doing only what HE commands.

Looking again at II Pet 2:4, even though it says angels (heavenly hosts as confirmed thru a few commentaries), your faith however tells you these “angels” are prophets. Reading the passage, Peter is using a h…[Read more]

@Jodi,

You quote II Pet 2 and verse 4 you state:

“Verse 4 is not talking about celestial messengers it is talking about God’s messengers the prophets who sinned.”

Except when looking up the word angel the Greek ἀγγέλων means “a messenger, angel” and according to Strong’s the understanding of this passage is “Certain of the angels have proved fa…[Read more]

@Jodi,

Briefly on freewill, it’s the idea/ablity to freely make decision in life – good or bad/right or wrong; otherwise we are stuck with the concept of “predestination” or is there another option? If we don’t have freewill, then surely the angels don’t either. If angels don’t have freewill, then satan and demons don’t have freewill and th…[Read more]

@Berean,

you: “Satan (the great dragon OF Rev.12) is the great SPIRIT leader of the NWO which takes form with the beast (papacy) and the false prophet (apostate Protestantism/the beast which rises from the earth/USA)”

me: is this what you have been taught or can you substantiate this with scripture?

You quote Rev 17:14 and Jesus (the lamb), in…[Read more]

@Jodi,

This is intriguing, you describe the angels as being under God’s control and doing HIS commands; in some cases, “creating evil.” If “evil” is from the hand of God, this would mean the “evil” we see and experience originates from God, by/through HIS angels. Am I understanding you correctly?

Is “sin” the “evil” God is speaking of in Isaiah…[Read more]

@Berean,

You give Danny and amen for writing nothing; but no response with our discussion concerning Sa-tan.

Did you ever find the passage where the Messiah was to be buried and raised up on the third day in the OT? Remember, this is “according to scripture” says Paul.

@Danny

What a fascinating response, nowhere in anything you said did you point out what I “lied” about. Did I lie when I repeated what Paul said to the church in Corinth about “robbing” other churches? Do you not take issue with him saying he robbed other churches?!? (II Cor 11:8)

Paul states, “For all the law is fulfilled in one word[Read more]

@Berean,

you: “Don’t you see that God, speaking to the Serpent, addresses first the animal, then the devil….

It’s clear though… isn’t it?”

me: I suppose when you ignore that pesky “and” you can see the second part as being referencing “the devil.” Unfortunately when you understand grammar, know how grammar works, and appropriate…[Read more]

@Danny,

I see nothing “dangerous” in what Jodi wrote; explain why you believe what she is saying is dangerous. A quote in the NT attributed a few scribes accusing Jesus of being possessed by “Beelzebub” doesn’t explain anything.

Beelzebub (Baal-zebub) means “lord of the flies”, is the god of the Philistine city Ekron, and is first mentioned in…[Read more]

@Berean,

I’m not going to focus on every response, but just a few that really jump out as being patently false and why believing something doesn’t make it truth.

you:

verse 14 suggests that God spoke to the serpent (the animal)

It may seem unfair that God cursed him (although not with death)

but since God cursed him, there is a rea…[Read more]

@Berean,

you: “Honestly I believe that EITHER Satan used this serpent (he made it his medium) to get Eve to sin against God’s order.”

me: So you “believe” Sa-tan possessed the creature and made it “entice” Eve to take and eat the fruit. Does your “belief” explain why Eve had no problem speaking with the serpent? Does your belief explain wh…[Read more]

@Berean,

The passage of Gen 3:1 tells us a “serpent” spoke to Eve. Verse 1 also states this “serpent” was more cunning than all the beasts of the field God made. Is this “serpent” Sa-tan, is Sa-tan a created beast of the field, was this serpent somehow “possessed” by Sa-tan, or was this “serpent” a higher level of beast created?

This is act…[Read more]

@Gene,

We have two very distinct perspectives on what the “law” is; you believe mankind is under this dictatorship type thumb of God and you better do what he says, or else (fear driven enforcement). I see the Torah (books of the Law) not a series of do’s and don’ts, but as a set of instructions explaining how to live in relation to God and the…[Read more]