Paul – first you use the word ‘prove’ – then the word ‘support’…
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John’s revelation of Christ ‘proves’ His Deity…which directly ‘supports’ the Trinity..
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If you lay aside the Greek grammar argument for a minute and remember that John was Jewish (not Greek)…it becomes apparent that not only is the conclusion of that argument foreign to…[Read more]

Anastas – I’m not sure how you can read, ‘the Word was God’, ‘I and the Father are One’, ‘before Abraham was, I Am’ etc. and not see Jesus equal with the Father…(unless influenced by man’s theology)…!
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The Deity of Christ is not some theological dogma reserved for Catholics, nor a revelation of secrets (as you say), but rather GOD WITH US…[Read more]

The Biblical Trinity doctrine is defined as follows: “There is only one God, made up of three distinct Persons who exist in co-equal, co-eternal communion as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.”
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Here are the groups that deny the trinity: Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Science, Armstrongism, Christadelphians, Oneness Pentecostals,…[Read more]

Only if one assumes BEFORE HAND that God is unipersonal (a completely individual entity) can one conclude that John 17:3 proves that only the Father is true God. (Matt Slick)

Paul – who said John 1:1 proved the Trinity..?
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What I said from the start is that everyone who denies the Trinity has to change John 1:1..and re-interpret a whole host of other Scriptures (like t8 has done) to fit their man-made doctrine..
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If KJV is incorrect then why can’t you say which translation you actually prescribe to…?

yes t8 – am also waiting for an answer – what translation of John 1:1 do you accept (wording please)…

It is so obvious how you ‘use’ this verse to wrongly deny the Trinity..

Jesus Christ, all through His earthly carnation as a man, acknowledged and glorified the Father as God – the only true God…just like He also submitted Himself to be baptized by the prophet John, when John himself shrank from such a position…why.? Simply because he recognized the Divinity of the Son..and how, in reality, Jesus should actually…[Read more]

Yes, scrutinized before…through the theological misconception of Arius’ false doctrine…!?
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So you say scripture clearly indicates that the Father is God and Jesus is another…!?
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Another what…??? another god…???

The Angel of YHVH.
This individual is always considered distinct from all other angels and is unique. In almost every passage where he is found he is referred to as both the Angel of YHVH and YHVH himself. For instance in Genesis 16:7 he is referred to as the Angel of YHVH, but then in 16:13 as YHVH himself. In Genesis 22:11 he is the Angel of…[Read more]

Sixth, if we are to be consistent using the Jehovah’s Witness logic that the Father is the only true God, then the following verses present a problem — if we use their logic.
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1. “For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into…[Read more]

Third, John 17:3 must be examined in the light of the totality of scripture. We see that Jesus is called God in John 1:1,14; 8:58; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Heb. 1:8. Therefore, John 17:3 cannot be interpreted in a way that disagrees with other scriptures. Of course, some people simply state that John 17:3 cannot allow for Jesus being God. But the simple…[Read more]

JOHN 17:3, “THE ONLY TRUE GOD.”
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“And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent,”
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The Jehovah’s Witnesses, among others, cite John 17:3 as a proof text to deny the Trinity and claim that Jesus Christ is not God. They reason is that if Jesus were God, then He would not have called…[Read more]

Conclusion
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The teaching of the Hebrew Scriptures, then is that there is a plurality of the Godhead. The first person is consistently called YHVH, while the second person is given the names of YHVH, the Angel of YHVH and the Servant of YHVH. Consistently and without fail, the second person is sent by the first person. The third person is…[Read more]

The Three Personalities in the Same Passage

In the Hebrew Scriptures you will also find all three personalities of the Godhead referred to in single passages. Two examples are Isaiah 48:12-16 and 63:7-14.

Because of the significance of the first passage, it will be quoted:

“Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the…[Read more]

GOD IS THREE – (JEWISHNESS AND THE TRINITY By Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum)
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Going through the Hebrew Scriptures we find that three, and only three, distinct personalities are ever considered divine.
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1. First, there are the numerous times when there is a reference to the Lord YHVH. This usage is so frequent that there is no need to devote space to…[Read more]

Your argument is that the Trinity is not found in Scripture, but rather you would say, it contradicts Scripture…a conclusion you have reached, NOT from meditating on the Word and allowing the Spirit to enlighten your understanding, but by logical conclusions and theological deductions…
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If you allow Scripture to interpret Scripture and…[Read more]

If my version of John 1:1 is incorrect, then what is the correct version – how should it read…???

Shama’ Yisrael Yahweh Elohim is ONE – (Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.)
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The first name for God given in the Bible is Elohim. It is a plural noun used with singular verbs. According to Genesis 1:1, the Creator of the Universe, Elohim, exists as a plural being.
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Genesis 1:26: Then God (Elohim) said, “Let Us make man in Our i…[Read more]

Im right aren’t I t8 – this is the very verse Arius used to promote his 4th century monotheistic doctrine…? (John 17:3) and you’ve just hijacked his same false argument against the Trinity…!