Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2010,22:36)Hi Mr. B Fun,What do you make of Isaiah 61:1?  It starts, “Ruwach Adonai YHVH is upon me……”  Do you read that as “Spirit Lord Jehovah is upon me…..”?  Would it help if you knew that in Like 4:18, Jesus read those words from a scroll in a synagogue as, “The Spirit OF the Lord is upon me…….”?I've sh…[Read more]

Hi Mike,How about YHWH being the name of YHWH?

SF,Technically SF is right…..Jesus was not “created” he was “pro-created”.That is why the terms “firstborn”, only “begotten” are used.The word “son” should've been a tip-off that Jesus is not God…who is the Father.We know that Adam was “created” because YHWH Elohim formed him out of dust. We know that angels are called sons of God and that we…[Read more]

Mike, How do you account for Ruwach Elohim? Is Ruwach a separate entity as displayed in Genesis 1:2? Or do you place Ruwach Elohim inside of YHWH Elohim, who is the other separate entity of Elohim?Why the identification of the 3 entities: Elohim, YHWH and Ruwach?If YHWH is the “only” God, why start out God's book with a generic “title” as you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 17 2010,22:07)Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 17 2010,08:57)I see YHWH Elohim as one of the two essences of Elohim with the other Ruwach Elohim.Hi David,Well then you're “seeing” it wrong.  YHVH is the NAME OF GOD.  Elohim simply means “GOD”.  So when it says YHVH Elohim or Elohim YHVH, it just means Jehovah God or God Je…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2010,22:46)Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 11 2010,05:51)Hi Mike,Elohim is the “one” who is doing the creating in Gen 1:1…which you agreed to initially.  Now it seems you are changing your mind because you are changing to another topic “YHWH”.Hi David,Yes, Elohim does the creating in Gen 1:1 and everywhere else in the Bible.…[Read more]

Mike,To tell you the truth, all I was hoping from this debate is that you could see that Elohim consists of two essences YHWH and Ruwach…and that they are part OF Elohim.I get that information from the connection of the word Elohim to their “essence's “Names””……”Ruwach” Elohim and “YHWH” Elohim.These essences are separate individuals and…[Read more]

Mike,I asked this but you haven't addressed it:You asked me how the Spirit was “female” because it didn't say so in the sentence….ME: the word “Spirit” in Hebrew in this sentence is “ruwach”. Following this to Strong's Lexicon the number is H7307 and spirit is a feminine noun.If you don't like using “female” I could use “feminine”, just as…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2010,20:35)Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 10 2010,02:09)Man (humankind) is male and female, in the image of Elohim, no?Hi David,What did God create in His image?  Human beings.  He chose for some of these human beings to be male, and others female.  This is the way God chose for us to be in order to procreate offspring.You ar…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2010,21:07)Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 10 2010,02:40)Summary:Gen 1:1 shows Elohim as being “God”.Gen 1:2 shows Ruwach Elohim, as a separate entity distinct from Elohim.Gen 1:1 doesn't “show” Elohim as being “God” David.  “God” is the English word FOR the Hebrew word “Elohim”.  “Elohim” MEANS “God”.  We have ONE Go…[Read more]

To address another concern in a post elsewhere:Elohim is the individual entity with the two essences, thus the plural majestic identifying Elohim (Supreme Being) as singular. Pronoun used for Elohim is “He”.You are correct; YHWH or YHWH Elohim is the male essence of Elohim and would be addressed as “He”.Many verses talk about YHWH or YHWH Elohim…[Read more]

Mike,I agree, we will discuss the topic in our debate section….see ya there.

Summary:Gen 1:1 shows Elohim as being “God”.Gen 1:2 shows Ruwach Elohim, as a separate entity distinct from Elohim.Gen 2:4 shows YHWH Elohim, as a separate entity distinct from Elohim, or Ruwach Elohim.Gen 1:27 shows Elohim's image; male and female.

#4-  YOU: Gen 2:4 NWT This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.First, this scripture doesn't even say God is a “HE”, but many other ones do.  Second, Jehovah is the personal name of God, not an “essence of Elohim”.ME:  The point I am trying to make here is…[Read more]

#3- YOU: Genesis 1:2 NIV Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.Where does this scripture say God's Spirit is a female?ME: the word “Spirit” in Hebrew in this sentence is “ruwach”. Following this to Strong's Lexicon the number is H7307 and spirit is a…[Read more]

Hello Mike,  Thanks for responding.YOU: Genesis 1:27 NET God created humankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them.Where exactly does it say Elohim's image is “male and female” here?ME: The word “God” is Elohim in Hebrew in this sentence, so I will rewrite it replacing God with Elohim, ok?Genesis…[Read more]

Dennison,When you begin with the OT you have a solid foundation.However, when people don't want to believe the OT, and the Hebrew is changed to fit whatever doctrine a person desires, they will do the same when it comes to Greek.WITHIN Spirit Elohim is “the Spirit of YHWH” (IS 11:2). Since Spirit YHWH is part of Spirit Elohim you need to correctly…[Read more]

All,To those that think that Spirit Elohim is a part of YHWH how could anyone commit the “unpardonable” sin? Your way, they would be sinning against YHWH but this Scripture isn't saying that…it is saying that you can blasphemy/sin against Spirit (Elohim)….who is a separate and distinct “person” than YHWH.Mat 12:31 “Therefore I say to you, any…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,20:31)Good afternoon Big Wave Dave,”Ruwach Elohim” means “spirit OF God”, as made clear by the 70 scholars who translated the LXX.  In Gen 1:2, the LXX uses the genetive form of “God”, making the verse in English read, “…And the Spirit OF God was hovering over the waters…” (Mike, please check with Ed, he…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,20:38)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,12:07)Hi David,So by your Post: you “NOW” agree that it 'doesn't say' … 'and they said they created everything THRU Their son' 'You' are “clearly” reading into the text; called embellishing!Hi David,I agree with Ed here, and if you are honest, you will admit that “Elohim” is never…[Read more]