Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:35)Quote (david @ Nov. 08 2012,20:57)And on a side note, no one seems to be providing any solution to this puzzle that makes any kind of sense based on the fact that they “knew it was The Lord.”YOU included, David.Your theory that Jesus was a spirit being who materialized a body they didn't recognize offers the…[Read more]

Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 10 2012,17:59)Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,13:14)Limjunis, can you speak plainly?Can you plainly tell us what YOUR credentials are?  I am not asking for a long confounded paragraph, but a simple explanation that a 5 year old could understand:  How do we know that YOU are from God?  What are YOUR credentials?  (No need to exp…[Read more]

Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 10 2012,15:39)Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,12:53)Limjunis would like to add this one to the list:”The basic and the fundamental knowledge that we can be sure it came truly from God, is to hear or listen first His words from the preachers He hath been sent; Believed and be baptized, then the believers can do the…[Read more]

I never thought they specifically were.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 10 2012,15:35)An eternal Father would presume the eternal existence of a Son or there would be no eternal 'Father.' It is typical for a Son to exist within His parent before being begotten/brought forth.Why would it presume that? Why would there be no eternal father without that presupposition?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,15:24)Yes and my son and I are equivalent in our nature, so subordination does equate to ontological disparity. We've been here before I think.I don't know that the bible discusses “ontological disparity.” Why not focus on what it does discuss?

Can you just give us the gist of it.

Ya, I lost that thread, as it was abandoned to 5 other subjects. Could you just rewrite it?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:43)Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,13:21)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:11)Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,13:04)I have to say it:Your ontological question is anti-logical.  I choose to sidestep it and focus on things that are actually in the Bible.I don't respect that approach at all.If you're contention is that Yeshua…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:58)david. Angels are spirits and we have spirits.Angels have different bodies to us, but we will become like the angels eventually.The spirit of man comes from God who we know is a spirit.What is the point of clarifying this in terms of the topic?Are you suggesting that we have spirits (like angels) snide of us?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:35)Quote (david @ Nov. 08 2012,20:57)And on a side note, no one seems to be providing any solution to this puzzle that makes any kind of sense based on the fact that they “knew it was The Lord.”YOU included, David.Your theory that Jesus was a spirit being who materialized a body they didn't recognize offers the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:32)Quote (david @ Nov. 08 2012,20:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2012,11:32)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 07 2012,22:27)Mike,It is more than speculation based on John 21:4 which explicitly states they did not recognize him.Luke 24:15-16King James Version (KJV)15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and…[Read more]

Except, I don't think of the spirit that god gives to people like that. I think of it like energy. Electricity is an idea that people can visualize. When the power company takes back their power, where does it to? Nowhere really. When the spirit is removed from a person, they die. When electricity is taken away from a fan, it stops whirling…[Read more]

Well, I was actually looking for things you disagree on. I haven't actively been asking. Too many other threads going on. I'm sure you disagree on some fundamental things. I'd have to either just pay attention for a year, or ask you now: what do you disagree on? If you ever find yourself speaking with terr on her, chances are its because you…[Read more]

Ya, I thought about it for a couple minutes. None of those things can actually resolve this question. Which is why I sidestep it and focus on the thousands of scriptures, 87% of which lean towards anti-Trinidadian views.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:17)Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,13:07)Is 1:18.What data?The data in the passages that reference:1. The nature of the sonship of Yeshua 2. The nature of the paternity of the Father3. Yeshua having His Father as His God4. The nature of the Father and Son beingsDoes any of this Data answer the ontological question.…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:11)Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,13:04)I have to say it:Your ontological question is anti-logical.  I choose to sidestep it and focus on things that are actually in the Bible.I don't respect that approach at all.If you're contention is that Yeshua is a less than God on the basis that He has a God, and inferiority in…[Read more]

Limjunis, can you speak plainly?Can you plainly tell us what YOUR credentials are? I am not asking for a long confounded paragraph, but a simple explanation that a 5 year old could understand: How do we know that YOU are from God? What are YOUR credentials? (No need to explain a process or start from the beginning. Start at the end and…[Read more]

Whether one being is created or not created…how much do we really know about this process to say one way or another whether one almighty being creating or not creating another mighty being can or cant be ontologically the same. It's simply speculation.

Is 1:18.What data?