The amount of scriptures that prove God is not a trinity is overwhelmingly large. There aren't really any scriptures that prove that Michael the archangel is not Jesus.There is a difference. I have looked at both sides. Many of the trinitarian scriptures have taken quite a bit of philisophical twisting to accomplish their purpose.All of the…[Read more]

You're right. It only strongly implies it several times.

You're right. I found a couple things that could imply what you say. But, no concrete proof of anything. And as you say: But are implications sufficient?”So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.” (1:4)What does 'becoming better than the angels' imply? Obviously, he was…[Read more]

In the first century, the Greek word for “torment” had a special connotation. Since prisoners were sometimes tortured (ALTHOUGH THIS WAS CONTRARY TO GOD'S LAW), jailers became known as tormentors. That's right, jailers became known as tormentors.Commenting on scripturs such as Matthew 18:34, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia says: “Pr…[Read more]

I too am simple folk and not that fond of big words that require dictionaries. Jesus' disciples spoke so people could understand. I've found that it's usually proud people that want to use their history of book learning to imply that anything they say is right and anything you say is wrong. I don't really get that feeling from Is 1:18…[Read more]

I wish to insert a comma in my first sentence above so that it reads:Believe what you will. You're right, there are only five or so times….

Quote you teach Michael as Jesus with even less scriptural evidence or implications. How can you justify walking off the path of truth into speculation and drawing others to follow you? Do you not fear God? Believe what you will. You're right. There are only five or so times where it is strongly implied that the two are the same. And…[Read more]

Quote Scripture does not say the Word was created. It does say he is “the only begotten Son”. It does say in many ways that he is the “firstborn” including “firstborn of creation” and even”the beginning of the creation of God.But it does not say he was created.Scripture does not say the Word was created.Did you even hear what you are saying? This…[Read more]

Quote Scripture does not teach any divine trinity.Scripture does not teach Jesus is Michael the archangel.You rightly reject the first but you support the second?Why do you apply different standards of proof in these matters? Hey Nick, you wrote the above in Biblical discussions in under “the Holy Spirit” heading. It came out of nowhere. I think…[Read more]

Hi Nick (or t8) ]I know some new people have just jumped into the conversation, so that will certainly pull at your attention. But I was wondering if you could clarify what I asked on page 5, at 01:08–About Jesus being the beginning of God's creation, but at the same time, not created. Take your time. I now realize you are both busy people and…[Read more]

Quote Jesus Christ has always been God. If he were an angel, or a glorified angel, or an elevated angel, John was in error in his writing. tdork said the above words. Hello tdork. As t8 points out, there are many gods, according to the Bible. And as he points out, the angels were referred to as gods as well. So your argument that Jesus can't…[Read more]

Ya, vancouver is nice. I tend to believe anywhere next to the ocean is nice. I basically live in the middle of nowhere however–the middle of Canada 2000 miles from the pacific or atlantic, and a couple thousand miles from the mountains. t8, I just read that you have other websites you run, or look after. Are they similar to this one?

Quote Jesus is the firstborn of the creation of God. No that does not say he was created. All creation came through him. He was not created through himself.Those last two sentences are of interest. “All” creation came through him you say. Therefore, you say, he is not part of creation. Here is were reason should come in. We could just reason…[Read more]

OK, New Zealand is a nice place. But it's not like that everywhere is it? I mean, you can't look out your window and see those things can you? Or do you live in the middle of paradise?Canada is a big place. We have lots of scenic places. Just not where I live apparently.

Trinitarians say that “first-born” here means prime, most excellent, most distinguished; thus Christ would be understood to be, not part of creation, but the most distinguished in relation to those who were created. Is this what you believe Nick? I'm just not sure.If that is so, why are the Father and the holy spirit not also said to be the fir…[Read more]

Nick, this might be off topic, or possibly belongs elsewhere, but in the trinity section (not the posts), you have the following:“12 He is God's firstborn.13 Jesus is the Beginning of the Creation of God.14 Jesus is begotten, not created.”I was with you on the first two statements. The third one confused me. If Jesus is the beginning of the cre…[Read more]

WHO IS MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL?Michael means “Who Is Like God?” The name evidently designates Michael as the one who takes the lead in upholding Jehovah’s sovereignty and destroying God’s enemies.He is referred to as “the great prince who has charge of your people,” and as “the archangel.” (Dan. 10:13; 12:1; Jude 9, RS)Nick, I realize there i…[Read more]

Are you saying Jesus wasn't created? That he is eternal?

Quote He thus cannot be an angel because angels are part of the creation of God and that is said nowhere about the Son of God. He is not an angel or he would have been made lower than himself.Isn't Jesus the “firstborn of creation” and therefore a part of creation?As for not being an angel because 'he was made lower than angels,' this doesn't…[Read more]

You asked if I think God is an angel because as you say: “God is a spirit.”I kept saying that angels were spirit CREATURES (meaning created). God is not created. I also kept saying that angels are literally “messengers.” Who has the authority to send God with a message? No one.