Quote David slew Goliath and there are a few other references to the descendants of the Nephilim. My feeling is that their great strength and large stature gave them huge physical advantages but they do not seem to necessarily have matched intellects. War seemed to be the role where their special talents were admired most. I see no reason to…[Read more]

“The wages sin pays is death.” (Rom. 6:23)The payment for sin is…..death.And the dead, “as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages.” (Eccl. 9:5)Through death, they have paid for their sinful state. The wages sin pays is death.I believe Romans 6:7, literally says:'He who has died has been “justif…[Read more]

If the ruler of the demons was in heaven, once an angel, who could mingle with angels….Satan was in heaven. We know this because Rev says that he would be kicked out of heaven, removed forceably. He was once an angel. He wasn't created as a Satan or a Devil. He made himself these things, by misusing his free will and letting wrong thoughts…[Read more]

Quote Does God usually create mortal things and beings? Well, we know he created humans, with free will. They were not mortal, but could be given the gift of everlasting life (and some, those who are to rule with Christ, immortality). But we know they were not created immortal. Immortal means you cannot die, correct? Yet, they died. They were…[Read more]

Quote Why would you call angels demons if scripture does not?Why would you say angels are immortal if scripture does not?

Quote Is immortality only “granted” to beings like a gift?Or is eternal life more the natural way of God's creation?There's a subtle difference between having everlasting life and being immortal.

Angels have free will nick. They are not robots. What if they abuse this? What if some (who we'll call demons) choose to mis use their free will?Where does the Bible say they have been granted immortality?

So, Nick is suggesting that Satan has angels and demons at under him. The angels under him of course would be wicked spirit creatures, wicked angels. To differentiate them from the good angels, lets give them a more specific name, oh I don't know, let's say “demons.”As we've been having this discussion, I kept thinking maybe Nick is imagining…[Read more]

Just doing some research on demons and Satan. It seems that James 2:19 the KJV has the word “devils” instead of “demons.”I'm wondering why?

Quote You have yet to answer the question about the events described in revelation about Satan and his angels and whether there is any evidence that it is historical and not prophetic.I thought I had answered that. Didn't I say that when it was written it was prophetic, but we are living in the last days, the conclusion of this system of things.…[Read more]

Quote And do you agree demons are of earth and angels are of heaven?If demons were not angels (as you say) and if demons are of earth and angels are of heaven (as I think you are saying) then this scripture is wrong:REVELATION 12:9“So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the e…[Read more]

Starting on June 20th, in the Hades/hell thread,Nick stated:Quote Hi david,Demons are not angels. But they are under the authority of Satan as Jesus showed when contrasting the two kingdoms. But demons are of earth and live in people. They were cast out by Jesus who spoke quite a lot about them.Angels are of heaven and are designed to be as…[Read more]

Quote One thing that is plain from the verses about Beelzebub is that Satan has a kingdom and demons are part of that kingdom of darkness and they serve him. But he is not a demon and demons are not angels. But it's not plain that demons were not angels. This is not plain at all. As you say, Satan has a kingdom and the demons are part of that…[Read more]

Quote I believe Satan was formerly Lucifer spoken of in Isaiah 14 (I think) and aslo in Ezekiel (28 I think it is) So at one time he was an angel working for God.And the demons Malcolm?

Quote Hi david,Thios verse says nothing about those of the world we are to avoid but only false brothers.Really? Doesn't verse 9 speak of fornicators of “this world,” or greedy persons, etc.Then we're told we would actually have to get out of the world to be entirely separate from them–because they're everywhere. And obvioulsy, we are not to…[Read more]

“Demons–What are they?”This issue has not really been addressed in this thread, as far as I can tell.My questions are these: Where did Satan come from? Where did the demons come from? (What are they?)On Beelzebub,MATTHEW 12” 24 At hearing this, the Pharisees said: “This fellow does not expel the demons except by means of Be·el´ze·bub, the ruler…[Read more]

Quote Are all the events shown in Revelation all past history or are they prophetic?Does it not speak of the future?Notice what John says near the beginning of that book:By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, When it was written, it was definitely all in the future, because it said that what was being revealed was the things that must s…[Read more]

REVELATION 12:9“So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.”The question is, are you finished learning? Notice that Satan and “his angels” are said to be hurled to the earth.

Quote But their home is heaven till cast to the earth in the endtimes. Nick,JUDE 5-6“I desire to remind YOU, despite YOUR knowing all things once for all time, that Jehovah, although he saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterwards destroyed those not showing faith. And THE ANGELS THAT DID NOT KEEP THEIR ORIGIAL POSITION but forsook t…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,No, If they became known as demons scripture would have said that. But it did not so, such is empty speculation.REVELATION 12:9“So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and HIS ANGELS were hurled down w…[Read more]