I think this might possibly be fake and never actually happens.

If there are moral standards independent of God's will, then there is something over which God is not sovereign. God is bound by the laws of morality instead of being their establisher.For me, I'm not sure he is bound by them, since he seems to be able to bend them.

I'm really not sure if this applies or makes sense, but Abraham being commanded to kill Isaac comes to mind. Of course, he called it off. But, we know killing is bad. But if God says: “in this case, killing is good and right,” does that make it right?Or if God says to the Israelites: “kill all the tribes inhabiting that land” does that make…[Read more]

Quote But again, is bad really bad only because that is what we are told. Let's imagine if God allowed Satan to take over this universe and keep it because it was too sinful for God now and he couldn't even look at it anymore. So he decided to make a new one for himself and rather than destroy the old one, he thought, why not let it exist. Then…[Read more]

Quote My thinking is that God commands it because it is good and what is good is him. And what is him? Light, love, mercy, patient, eternal… I don't think it is the other way round because that seems to imply a sort of random selection of what is good and bad which is based on nothing. So what is good is based on what is God. God is not based on…[Read more]

Quote (Richtuner @ Jan. 30 2013,13:00)Is what is “evil” evil because God commands it, or does God command it because it is evil?that would demand an equal answer.Yes it would.

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 28 2013,21:44)Quote (david @ Jan. 28 2013,13:39)Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 27 2013,07:37)Quote (david @ Jan. 27 2013,04:04)Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 26 2013,16:08)David,I believe “God commands it because it is good”, an item is classified as good by how its implementation supports either love of others, or selfishness.…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 27 2013,13:27)Quote (david @ Jan. 26 2013,14:06)Is what is “good” good because God commands it, or does God command it because it is good?There is no easy simple answer to this question.  Either one you pick leaves a disturbing result.  Or is it possible that neither is correct, or that there is some other option?This is a v…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 27 2013,07:37)Quote (david @ Jan. 27 2013,04:04)Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 26 2013,16:08)David,I believe “God commands it because it is good”, an item is classified as good by how its implementation supports either love of others, or selfishness. That's why love fulfills the law, imagine if all the worlds decisions…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 27 2013,07:37)Quote (david @ Jan. 27 2013,04:04)Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 26 2013,16:08)David,I believe “God commands it because it is good”, an item is classified as good by how its implementation supports either love of others, or selfishness. That's why love fulfills the law, imagine if all the worlds decisions…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2013,15:44)but God could have said that thing are GOOD  because he expected them from the works of others and so declared them good to him ,It's weird. I'm not sure anyone picked one of the two options. It seems this is a hard or troubling question.

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 26 2013,16:08)David,I believe “God commands it because it is good”, an item is classified as good by how its implementation supports either love of others, or selfishness. That's why love fulfills the law, imagine if all the worlds decisions (business, political, personal) were based on putting others needs first, it…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2013,17:00)Quote (david @ Jan. 26 2013,14:06)Is what is “good” good because God commands it, or does God command it because it is good?There is no easy simple answer to this question.  Either one you pick leaves a disturbing result.  Or is it possible that neither is correct, or that there is some other option?This is a v…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 24 2013,17:29)Quote (david @ Jan. 24 2013,19:39)Why do they mostly mess with Catholics and others that believe in them?Why wouldn't it be more even, with athiests and scientists equally being attacked by them?Doesn't it seem they by far mostly bother with those that believe in them?Ask yourself why God shows himself to those who…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 24 2013,17:26)david, you are an unbeliever in the matter of spirits. I get it. Not sure I really want to prove it to you if I could and if that would be a good thing.But happy to stick to scripture and leave it as a matter of faith in the word.I don't remember saying I'm an unbeliever in spirits. I believe all psychics today are…[Read more]

I looked at that page again:I checked the rules and the first rule (the only rule that is real, or that matters) is:You can't play alone.And before the rules, are the instructions. Guess what? The instructions start by saying: you need at least two players. They make that one point really clear. Why? Because that's how it works. Why…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 24 2013,17:24)Quote (david @ Jan. 24 2013,19:37)“Demons aren't dogs that fetch sticks when you ask them,…”How do you explain the oiji board?  Isnt that exactly how the ouiji board supposedly works?  Did Parker brothers make a deal with the demons?The oiji board has little to do with it.I guess you could use a coin, heads for y…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 24 2013,16:53)I guess the difference between you an me is that I am talking about everyday life and things that happen in that context. You are talking about experiments with cameras to see if God or demons will demonstrate things.I am totally against the latter. That is called testing God. And I would imagine that testing demons…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 24 2013,16:50)Quote (david @ Jan. 24 2013,19:40)Quote And if scripture says that they possess men and do false miracles even right up until the end of this age, then the only conclusion is unbelief in what is written.Which scripture is his?  Is there more than one?  Is it the 1 these one?Is one scripture not enough?But demon a…[Read more]

Although much more could be said, here is an example:1. God might have stated that killing is ok, or even necessary, and in that case, killing would have been “good,” just because God said so. If the only reason for killing being either good or bad was because God stated it, and if he could state either one (it's good, or, it's bad) then this is…[Read more]