david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
DID JESUS FOLLOWERS WORSHIP THE HOLY SPIRIT?There is no evidence that when Jesus was on earth, faithful Jews viewed the holy spirit as a person equal to the Father. They certainly did not worship the holy spirit. Rather, their worship was directed solely to Jehovah, the One whom Jesus himself called “my Father” and “my God.”—John 20:17.
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
1 JOHN 5:7A few still suggest that although Jesus did not spell out the Trinity doctrine, the apostle John did at 1 John 5:7, which, according to the King James Version, says: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” However, more modern versions omit this passage. Why…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
A HELPER–“he” “his,” “him”Jesus personalized the holy spirit when speaking of that spirit as a “helper” (which in Greek is the masculine substantive parakletos). Properly, therefore, John presents Jesus’ words as referring to that “helper” aspect of the spirit with masculine personal pronouns (ie: “him”). On the other hand, in the same context,…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
BLASPHEMY AGAINST HOLY SPIRIT“For the same reason it is dubious whether Christ's warning to the Pharisees as regards blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (Matt., xii, 31) can be brought forward as proof.” (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1912, Vol. 15, p 47-49)I looked up the word blasphemy. The first definition I came across was: “blasphemous langu…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
“SOMETHING, NOT SOMEONE”–CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA ADMITSEven though Catholics view the holy spirit as part of the trinity, New Catholic Encyclopedia Encyclopedia must admit: “The majority of N T texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.” (1967, Vol. XIII,…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
USED IN PARALLEL WITH QUALITIES AND OTHER IMPERSONAL THINGSThe Bible states that Stephen was “full of faith and holy spirit.” (Acts 6:5) And the apostle Paul recommended himself as God’s minister “by purity, by knowledge, by long-suffering, by kindness, by holy spirit, by love free from hypocrisy.”—2 Corinthians 6:4-6.You can be “filled” wi…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
CAPITAL LETTERS, AND THE “THE” IN FRONT OF “HOLY SPIRIT”The fact is that the truth about the holy spirit has been beclouded by the prejudices of Bible translators. Their use of capital letters cannot be used to prove the holy spirit is a person. Why not? Because at the time the Scriptures were written proper and common nouns were not thus disting…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
“HOLY GHOST”–AND OLD ENGLISHWhile the term “Holy Ghost” occurs some ninety times in the King James and Douay versions, it is actually an Old English term, “ghost” being derived from the German word geist, meaning “spirit.” That is why the expression “Holy Ghost” does not appear in modern translations.
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
LOCATIONAnd note still another point, that of location. The Bible tells us that God dwells in heaven, that he holds court there. Also that Jesus in his prehuman existence was rejoicing in his Father’s presence, that he came to earth to perform special missions, especially at the time he came as a man, and that he has now returned to heaven. W…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
USED POSSESSIVELY More than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.”All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct person.—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19; Ps 51:1…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
“THE HOLY SPIRIT”Jehovah God, the Creator, the Father, the Most High, the Almighty, has many distinctive appellations. He is thus distinctly distinguished from other gods or mighty ones. Likewise with his Son, Jesus Christ. There is only one by that name, only one “only-begotten Son,” only one “First-born,” only one Logos or “Word.”J…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
NO DISTINCTIVE NAME, UNLIKE JEHOVAH AND JESUS, AND EVERYONE ELSEThat the holy spirit is without personality is also indicated by the fact that it has no distinctive name.The Bible never speaks of the holy spirit in the same way that it speaks of God or of Jesus. For example, in the Bible, the holy spirit does not have a personal name.Is that just…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
SECONDARY POSITION IN THE SCRIPTURESAdding to the above post: How could the holy spirit be equal with Jehovah the Father when it is given a secondary position in the Scriptures?“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3, NW.Where is the holy spiri…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
WHY DOESN’T THE HOLY SPIRIT KNOW WHAT GOD KNOWS? WHERE IS HE IN THIS VERSE?MARK 13:32““Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.”Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
MATTHEW 28:19–WHAT DOESN’T IT SAY?This text does not say that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are coequal or coeternal or that all are God. All it proves is one’s ability to count to three. Yippee. “Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” or “Peter, James and John” are mentioned together in groups of three many times, way more than the supposed trinity. The f…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
Does the Bible teach that the holy spirit is a person? Does God’s word say that the holy spirit is God? The fact that the Word of God does not explicitly mention, explain or teach a trinity is in itself strong proof that the trinity teaching is false. And this is also borne out by what the Bible teaches regarding the holy spirit.The correct i…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
Ok. I've looked at everything. (It took a few days.) I'm pretty sure I just did it–proved that the holy spirit is not a part of the trinity and hence the trinity doctrine is wrong.(So we can stop discussing the trinity now.)I've noticed that so far, really, it's only been those who believe God is a trinity posting what they think are proofs…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
Is there anything on the holy spirit in the main page area that discusses the trinity (ie, not the forum part)?
david replied to the topic Alpha Omega First Last in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
Quote Jesus is Jehovah I'm just going to say this: WRONG.Quote Hi DavidVery clear, good post, this helps my understanding thank you.God bless. Thankyou Debra.
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
Quote DavidQuoteTHERE ARE MANY SCRIPTURES WHICH SPEAK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AS NOT BEING A PERSON.That is not the message of the Bible.The Holy Spirit is in very distinguished companyMat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Yes, very good Cult Buster. Your…[Read more]
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