Quote I cant even find it on BibleGateway.com. No you can't. There are many Bible's that aren't on Gateway. If you want one, the next time one of JW's come to your door (wherever you live; Mat 24:14) ask them for one. Our Bible's are available to the greater majority of mankind. Not everyone has the internet. Most everyone does have a door.…[Read more]

Back to T8's unanswered question:Thirdly, eternal life is given to the righteous. The wicked do not have eternal life even if it is in a constant state of pain I would have thought. To live is to be conscious surely?

We should read the whole Bible Nick and understand Jehovah and the scriptures as a whole instead of narrowing in on one or two scriptures while ignoring thousands of others that are clear and non-parabolic in nature.

Quote Hi david,All you have to do is sit at the feet of Jesus to learn.But do not call him a liar.Please quote where I did this. What I have done is repeatedly said that you are misunderstanding this parable. It is clearly a parable. Here's the thing. This is the main cornerstone scripture for you on your belief that Jehovah tortures people…[Read more]

Quote without evil we could never understand “good”. So we have to see and know Satan to know that Jehovah is good.I don't believe this. And I don't believe that Jehovah created evil. I believe that he made men in such a way that they have free will.(Ecclesiastes 7:29) “See! This only I have found, that the God made mankind upright, but they t…[Read more]

Quote Why did they fall over backwards when Jesus used the name of Almighty God as His own: The divine name of “I AM”? And why would the soldiers fall backwards if not for the awesomeness of the words of Jesus? Cult Buster, it was because of the situation. They came to him to arrest him and the normal responce of most would be to hide or run.…[Read more]

Quote Hi P,They use their own version-the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION I own a couple different versions and have quoted from many bibles while on here. JW's actually print a coupe different Bibles. I tend to prefer Bibles that haven't removed God's name thousands of times and replaced it with “LORD” or “GOD”.

Thirdly, eternal life is given to the righteous. The wicked do not have eternal life even if it is in a constant state of pain I would have thought. To live is to be conscious surely?–T8, earlier in this thread.This is a point I don't remember mentioning myself. The “gift” of everlasting life is “given” to deserving ones. The idea of the…[Read more]

Quote Lucifer by his own efforts became Satan the adversary.There is a first for everything.

(Mark 14:61) “. . .Are you the Christ the Son of the Blessed One?. . .””I am.”Jesus was asked if he was the christ.The word “I” indicates himself, Jesus.The word “am” indicates: he had the quality of being, what he asked he was.These aren't trick words. They're not complicated Is 1:18 type words that only Greeks and philosophers speak. They are…[Read more]

Quote The Light was shining in darkness; but “the darkness apprehended it not.” John 1:5No it doesn't CULT BUSTER, no it doesn't. Agree with the pharisees all you like. As I said, I'm going with Jesus words. Have fun with the pharisees. I imagine if you lived back then, you'b be trying to “bust” up the cult of the Christians, pointing out…[Read more]

Um. I checked that scripture. Nowhere does it say that he created “Satan” meaning “resister/opposer.”In a sense, satan created himself, or at least turned himself into satan, much the way that a child isn't born a criminal, but turns himself into one.

Quote Hi david,When in doubt allegorise? No Nick, when in doubt, pick one scripture that is a parable that you can twist to fit your Greek babylonian belief and then ignore all others.

Nick, on page 13, I wrote this to you, or quoted your words:Quote QuoteHi WIT,Some good thought there.More like a siege than commando warfare?My suggestion is that no one scripture can be used as a proofbut it must have two supporting witnessing verses.Nick, are you willing to listen to your own words? Of course, I was speaking about your one…[Read more]

Quote Hi David,Neither of the places, death and Hades are abstract.Nick, I would like you to take some literal fire and burn literal death with it. Death is very real. But it's not tangible. Fire is. You missed this:The wild beast which is hurled into this lake of fire is not an actual animal is it?The false prophet who is thrown into this…[Read more]

Death, inherited from Adam, and Hades will be thrown into this lake of fire. Can these two abstract things suffer? No. But the fire here can and does represent their disappearance, which will take place once they have ‘given up those dead in them,’ that is, after the resurrection of the dead.—Revelation 20:13, 14.

Quote “. . .were hurled into the lake of fire. THIS MEANS the second death, the lake of fire.”–The BibleThe lake of fire is a symbol of eternal destruction, the second death, from which there is no resurrection possible. –DavidQuote Hi david,Are we allowed to call symbolic whatever we do not like? –NickNick, obviously not. But the Bible…[Read more]

Quote The Greek here is ego eimi, which any first-semester Greek student can tell you means “I am.” It should also be noted that it would be rather strange for people to stone Jesus for saying that he “had been.” Yes, if Jesus just said: “I am” or he said: “had been,” that would be odd for someone to say. Of course, we're missing the actual words…[Read more]

Let's say for a second that Jesus actually wanted to answer that question, the way any person would. He was asked if he was the Christ.“. . .Are you the Christ the Son of the Blessed One?. . .”“I am.”Let's say that Jesus wanted to answer that question in the affirmative. We know he was of course the Christ, the Son of God (and hence, related to…[Read more]

Quote So the lake of fire is only symbolic and imaginary?In your mind, symbolic = imaginary? ? ?Symbolic means that it is a symbol of something or means something.Quote Did God tell you this or are you making it all up? “. . .were hurled into the lake of fire. THIS MEANS the second death, the lake of fire.”–The BibleThe lake of fire is a symbol…[Read more]