Quote Revelation 1:10 John say he was in the spirit on the Lord's day. That day is the great and terrible day of the LORD.Joe 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?Joe 2:31 The sun…[Read more]

Quote Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.–kencrh. Jesus had promised to be with his followers in their meeting together (Mt 18:20), and he also assured them that he would be ‘with them’ in their discipling work “all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” (Mt 28:19,…[Read more]

Kenrch:Quote Simply put Jesus' prensence has been here since Pentecost!Then why did his apostles ask for a sign of this presence? (Mat 24:3)I believe the “Lord's day” spoken of in Revelation 1:10 I think, begins with the presence of Jesus and goes right to the end of the millenlian reign. Revelation was written to tell the things that would take…[Read more]

Nick, I'd rather not go on a tangent, but I had said:”Since his ascension to heaven, Jesus is a spirit person “who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see.” (1 tim 6:16) (Here Paul is comparing Jesus with human rulers. See verse 15, compare Acts 9:3.)”I knew someone would call me on it. I believe, “imho” that…[Read more]

Quote The only thing that I can do is appologize to you if I posted something here that you don't feel belongs. I thought it all related. In other threads that others start, it some how always ends with discussing the “Trinity”.94, I don't really care that much. It's just that the conversation literally went for 10 pages without anyone…[Read more]

Quote Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.Is Jesus lying? Is HE in our midst? HE is if you are born a gain.Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:Jesus said when His brethren gather He will be in their midst. Is he speaking…[Read more]

Quote Hi David:If what you are saying is true, what about the following scripture?Lu 21:27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.Hi 94. I “see” what you're saying. But, usually, things that are “in a cloud” are obscured from us physically seeing them. I believe everyone will see (understand, or…[Read more]

What about John 1:1–In defence of the NWT.I've noticed that the last 10 pages or so don't seem to be about this subject. I guess they are about John 1:1. I'm sure John 1:1 is big enough to have it's own thread. It's just that now when someone wants to see about this actual topic: John 1:1–In defence of the NWT, myself included, they have to…[Read more]

Quote Jesus' presence has been here since Pentecost.Do you hear Jesus' voice David? ““Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence (Gk. pa·rou·si′as)…” (Mat 24:3)“Now learn from the fig tree as an illustration this point: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and it puts forth leaves, YOU know that summe…[Read more]

Quote Mat 24:32-33 `And from the fig-tree learn ye the simile: When already its branch may have become tender, and the leaves it may put forth, ye know that summer is nigh, so also ye, when ye may see all these, ye know that it is nigh–at the doors.We are not saying that Jesus “coming” has happened, only that we are living in the presence of the…[Read more]

Hi Olive. I know this post is long, but it only discusses one thing, one scripture. Well, I guess there are two.Matt. 24:37-39: “Just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah e…[Read more]

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The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed, by James L. Tomanek. (1958):“and the Word was a God.”The Emphatic Diaglott (1864; as printed in 1942), Benjamin Wilson’s Interlinear reading:“and a god was the Word.” The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected T…[Read more]

In answer to his disciples’ question about this “sign,” he said: “Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.” (Matthew 24:3, 7, 8) In striking fulfillment, the first of the world wars started i…[Read more]

Quote I have never heard this, 1914 theory before, sounds outlandish to me.Predition of the future by man, is not good David, do you not agree to what is written:Mar 13:32-33 `And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known–not even the messengers who are in the heaven, not even the Son–except the Father. Take heed, watch and pray, for…[Read more]

Quote Because all sinners nailed him to the cross and all sinners pierced him. If there were no sinners, he wouldn't have hung on the tree. T8, So then, you nailed him to the cross, T8? You believe you did this.Question. Why would you do this? Yes, it had to be done. And there was no question that it would be done, for it was God's will. But…[Read more]

Quote For me no matter how I look at the idea of Christ's return in 1914, it is against the advice that Jesus gave us about his own return.Again, you are arguing against something we do not believe.

Quote If he came in 1914, then no eye saw him and then we are really just believing reports that say he is here or there, or he will come in 19??, or he has already come.The second coming of Christ will not be a matter of debate when it happens. T8, I believe we are mixing up the presence of Christ with the coming of Christ.Paul spoke of the “last…[Read more]

Quote Whether Christ has a spiritual body like the angels or a human body, the fact is that every eye shall see him when he returns. He is not coming back in an invisible state. Rather he will be very visible according to the accounts in scripture.“Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him.” (Rev 1:7…[Read more]

Quote If he came in 1914, where exactly is he now?Seriously. Where do JWs say he actually is?so you guys think that after untold eons of life as a spirit being, he's going to become human again.He had to become human and come to the earth for the short time he did so that he could die a sacrificial death, and be a “corresponding ransom”…[Read more]