Quote But what is your opinion? My opinion has always been that people who avoid answering questions or state things that directly and without question contradict themselves…..should worry more about answering some questions than continually asking them.That is my opinion.How can one be “given” or “granted” something, but not “have” it?

Then let's discuss it in the appropriate thread.

The sad truth, Nick, is that you have painted yourself into a weird corner where someone can be given immortality, but not be immortal.I do understand your desparation and your attempts to sidetrack this conversation or to use such tactics. But please put these things behind you and act honorably.

LISTEN, IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER ANY, NOT ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, JUST ACCEPT THAT.What you are doing now is dishonest. My view Nick, is that you have avoided all the questions I have asked.The REASON for this, is that you cannot answer them, reasonably.So, I'll stick with those that actually have some answers, and aren't constantly contradicting…[Read more]

Quote But what is your view? My view Nick, is that you have avoided all the questions I have asked.The REASON for this, is that you cannot answer them, reasonably.So, I'll stick with those that actually have some answers, and aren't constantly contradicting themselves or the normal meaning of very common words.That is my view.My view is also that…[Read more]

Quote I cannot accept that Jesus is Michael the Archangel as I believe that is just as duduced from scripture as the JW's say the Trinity is deduced from scripture.While the Bible neither says that God is a trinity or that Jesus was called Michael in heaven, there is a mountain of scriptures that argue against trinity belief. There is nothing…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,From the NWT”16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see. To him be honor and might everlasting. Amen. “So you think the one that men have never seen or can see is Jesus?Or is this official JW policy? Nick, why is it I'm able to answer your questions, but you don't…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Philosophical points do not add much.The verse seems to relate to God obviously to me.The point is not whether or not it could relate to Jesus as well.No because it would add a point of confusion to the simple obvious meaning. Nick, it's you who are philosphising and messing with words. Yes, the verse does seem rather simple to…[Read more]

Quote church activitiesNot3, Just wondering what these were.Quote I would shutter to sit in a congregation now that sang songs to Jesus and called him “God.” I certainly don't want my children to be a part of that either! Any advice from like-minded believers would be appreciated.I'm not sure which country you're from, but we are having the…[Read more]

Perhaps nick, the answer lies in your very words. At that time, it was Jesus alone who had been “granted” or given immortality. How much greater Jesus is to all other rulers on the earth. He alone had been given immortality.The other kings and lords, because of being mortal, die, even as did also the high priests of Israel. The glorified Jesus,…[Read more]

I underlined it so you wouldn't miss it, yet somehow….

Quote God alone is immortal of His own nature- He alone POSSESSES immortality.So, someone that is given immortality or 'granted' immortality, as you said, does not possess it?If I give you something do you not possess it? It think you are going way past anything the scriptures actually say. Jesus is immortal, and yes, this was given to him.…[Read more]

Charity, are you doing something different with your hair, or did you recently change your avatar?Your new avatar gives the impression of slightly older and maybe more seriousness, down to business.

Quote Hi david,God alone is immortalYou say these words. Yet, Jesus has an “indestructable” life, and as you say:Others “ are fitted for immortality“So, you say “God alone has immortality” and others “are fitted with immortality,” and “granted immortality.”You really can't see how you are contradicting yourself.God alone has “x.”Others have…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,You say”Immortal means cannot die.”True, but Christ did die.Thence he was immortal. Yes, Nick, very good, I did say that, just like the scripture in question says one thing, but we can't just look at the one thing without considering the preceeding verse or the other scriptures that explain it, or in this case, my other words with…[Read more]

Quote David wrote:No, I do realize God is called Father. Of course, he's not a father just exactly as humans are. But it's a word he uses to describe himself so we limited humans can understand.**********************************************************David,If you do not believe that God is a true Father, then I'm afraid I have lost all hope in…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Not so,Christ is filled eternally with the Spirit of life from the Jordan, the Spirit that raised him after his own spirit left him in death at Calvary. He is now the only appointed source of that eternal life giving Spirit for us. Hi Nick. You say “Not so,” but in this post at leasty, you say nothing to explain why “not…[Read more]

Quote David tells us the JWs say these verses refer to Jesus.Bible's say that Jesus has an “indestructable life.” (NIV, NWT, etc)(Lit “indissoluble life”) (Heb 7:16)”Immortal” means “not subject to death, cannot die.”If Jesus has an “indestructable life” he has a life that can't be destroyed. A few verses later, it says “He is always alive.”…[Read more]

Quote So, and I assume you will include yourself in this number….Lamotre, I'm sorry, but you assume wrong. I do not.Quote Don't bother to reply, I don't buy it.Ok, I won't reply further, but since your assumptions are wrong, I don't want you to “buy” it, anyway.

Quote Is Christ so longer seen as Michael by the JWs now and only as Wisdom?Is there any proof that Prov 8 refers to him when it speaks of wisdom.He is called the wisdom of God but so is scripture and he is more than wisdom.Not3in1,Hey Nick. Please go see one of the related threads. I have discussed both at great length.Quote He is called the…[Read more]