Quote I have a question for you – is this passage in 1 Tim. the only passage used to show that Christ is invisible and came to rule already? Or are there other verses to support that teaching? Thanks. Yes.I am more busy now than I have ever been. I am taking a break. I will come back to this on my next break.davi

Quote So does God possess immortality as well?That is two.Yes Nick. That is two. So what we have here, based on your observation of “two” indicates that not everyone is being addressed here.It is comparing Jesus to the human rulers, and of that group, only Jesus possesses immortality.Since as I've explained previously, Jesus is immortal and so…[Read more]

Quote If, as David claims,Christ is the only one who possesses immortality then he is sayingGod does notNick, you know this is not what I am saying. You tend to misrepresent me.You have said that God alone possesses immortality in that it is somehow part of his nature and even though jesus was given immortality, he doesn't posess it.Yet, I've…[Read more]

What Does Genesis Say?As with other things that are misrepresented or misunderstood, the first chapter of the Bible deserves at least a fair hearing. The need is to investigate and determine whether it harmonizes with known facts, not to mold it to fit some theoretical framework. Also to be remembered, the Genesis account was not written to show…[Read more]

Quote Thank you for clearing that up. I assume you are happy that the order of creation events as depicted in Genesis is the opposite to what the evidence says. You are comfortable that plants were created an “epoch” before the sun? That there was evening and morning, “epochs” before the existence of the sun?Actually, the evidence and the Bib…[Read more]

A few days ago, I had typed out the same thought. Then I questioned if it really answered his question and never submitted it.Why did he choose to have the prophecy point to that time? It had to be that time because of this prophecy. But why did he actually choose that time? I think mankind has always been cruel and could always find horible…[Read more]

Quote Basically what you are intending to say is that God didn't create Satan with a free will?I'm not saying that at all. I am saying that he, like everyone had free will. He chose to use it badly, very badly. He wanted what belonged to Jehovah.

It seems when discussing the theory of evolution with people, they get stuck in the ape transitions and the drawings they've been show by “scientists.” Proof enough.It's better and easier to cut through all that, and go to the beginning. Everything they've ever known had a beginning. The Bible says the universe had a beginning. Science finally…[Read more]

Yes. I do see the contradiction. What T8 was saying is that there is no way to know for certain, so there “shouldn't” be people who are atheists. But an athiest is someone who simply doesn't believe in God. And we know there are such people. Whether that is right or not isn't at issue.And his same argument would also be true of theists I…[Read more]

If you don't read this verse carefully, it is easy to at first think that it is speaking of Jehovah. Yet, that really cannot be the case.

Hi Bibliophile. You may want to read this thread, or at least the last couple pages.david

Extent of the Delugethe Greek word used in the Bible to refer to the Flood, or Deluge, is ka·ta·kly·smos′, a cataclysm. (Lu 17:27, ftn) Local floods come and go in a matter of days; this one lasted over a year, the greater portion of which was required for the water to subside. How unreasonable to believe that Noah spent perhaps 50 or 60 years bu…[Read more]

What evidence proves that there truly was a global deluge?Other possible evidence of a drastic change: Remains of mammoths and rhinoceroses have been found in different parts of the earth. Some of these were found in Siberian cliffs; others were preserved in Siberian and Alaskan ice. In fact, some were found with food undigested in their stomachs…[Read more]

Here is a very interesting thought. Many ask where all the water went. It's possible, it's still here.”With the Deluge great changes came, for example, the life span of humans dropped very rapidly. Some have suggested that prior to the Flood the waters above the expanse shielded out some of the harmful radiation and that, with the waters gone,…[Read more]

Quote If it was the whole earth, then God must have given Noah a pair of Kiwis and some Moas too.Or did God create new species outside of those that were on the ark?A while ago, someone was trying to breed foxes, I believe. But they wanted to only the tamer ones. So, they used the tamer ones to breed and after ONLY ten years, the foxes were so…[Read more]

Hi t8. I'm thinking one subject of “salvation” could be created where other related threads are put.Right now, I think 2 new threads have been created: “Salvation for all,” and “salvation by us or by God.”There is also a string of Salvation by faith/works threads.I'm thinking these could be organized under one heading. It is an important,…[Read more]

Ps. 41:9: “The man at peace with me, in whom I trusted, who was eating my bread, has magnified his heel against me.” Notice that the prophecy does not specify which close associate of Jesus it would be. Jehovah knew that the Devil had used David’s counselor Ahithophel to betray him, and He had that recorded because it demonstrated how the Devil…[Read more]

Just a thought:The Word (Jesus) was WITH “the mighty one” and the word (Jesus) was a mighty one.(We must remember that the word “God” has a meaning. It's the reason that angels, Satan, human judges, etc could be called gods. Because they were mighty ones…comparitively speaking.)Because of that stubborn word “with” it is obvious that Jesus is…[Read more]

I believe the man of sin or man of lawlessness is a class of people, specifically, the clergy class, the body of proud, ambitious clergymen of Christendom, who over the centuries have set themselves up as a law unto themselves. “Let no one seduce you in any manner, because will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness g…[Read more]

Quote Your JW church is lukewarm when it comes to the truth of doctrine, just like every other religion, poluted by man's traditions.For a group that is lukewarm, we're sure…..not lukewarm.Lukewarm means it's neither hot nor cold, uncaring.This does not accurately describe the group known as JW's at all, to any degree.