Quote Amen brother, if we don't see Jesus as a simple human being just like us we are pushing him away from our real identity, Saying he preexisted as some kind of super being or what ever, Separates Him from our exact identity. Good post brother.Gene, he didn't have to be “our exact identity.” He had to match Adam's identity, a perfect, sinless…[Read more]

Quote Nick……….i can back up what i am saying with sound logic–geneGene, if only you could use scriptures from time to time as well. Logic is well and fine if it agrees with scripture–God's thinking. Otherwise we are deceiving our self. If you look at your posts and they're all your “logic” but no scriptures can be found to match, you…[Read more]

Quote GB,Logic is human wisdom,Scripture is the far greater wisdom of GodNick, here is where you are confused. Look at Paul:ACTS 9:22“But Saul kept on acquiring power all the more and was confounding the Jews that dwelt in Damascus as he proved LOGICALLY that this is the Christ.”He was using scripture AND logic.

We have several scriptures explain clearly that the kingdom is a government.And we have one scripture which can be taken to suggest otherwise (if you ignore the context and translate it wrong.)GENE, your words from another thread:“Don't you think that such a issue would have been a big part of the gospel, and thoroughly explained in great detail…[Read more]

Quote Nick,I agree, I did not say all would be saved. Do you believe that God will torture people for eternity?Me, answering for Nick; “Yes,” he does.

Gene, we know you're not a toeist. But sometimes you say things….many times you say things that sound very mystical and eastern. As soon as Nick commented on it, I agreed with him…not on you being a toeist, but on your philisophical inward, wording of a lot of things, and without scripture to back it up.

I do not wish to discuss this now, but since I’d never find it again, I thought I’d post t8's words from another thread here:“First off, it says to which of the angels, and then points to the son. This can equally be read as him not being an angel and being an angel too. Try reading it with the understanding that he is an angel and it also makes…[Read more]

Quote People living in the thousand year will experience a peaceful world but it comes crashing down at the end, the only one that stay faithful to God is Jesus and the Saints, It (the Bible) doesn't say that the only ones who stay faithful to God is Jesus and the holy ones. Obviously, Jesus and the holy ones, those who have already been granted…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Having a chat with Matthew may helpHi Nick. So, when someone asks you what the kingdom of God is, how do you answer them? Or is this something not granted.Matthew 13:11Jesus answered them, ” To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.Being that the Messianic…[Read more]

Quote This and many more scriptures make that clear to me. My dilemna is in what sense, if any, can he be viewed as God? seeking, because the word “God” is used like 98% of the time with reference to Jehovah, the Father, we tend to think that “God” means “The Creator/the author of the Bible/Father.” It’s like when we think of facial tissue we thi…[Read more]

Gene, what do you make of this scripture:REVELATION 20:6-8“Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years. Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, Satan will be let l…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,If a kingdom does not include hearts and minds how secure is it?Who said it didn't? Did I? No. What I said was: Hundreds of scriptures plainly show that God's kingdom is a government, made up of Jesus and the holy ones.Anyway, Nick, my question, which you failed to answer was: WHAT IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD?Surely, this topic is…[Read more]

ok, this is the wrong thread. It's about universal salvation, not God's government.

As I've been discussing this with you, i've come across plenty of scriptures like the one below:2 CORINTHIANS 1:21-22“But he who guarantees that YOU and we belong to Christ and he who has anointed us is God. He has also put his seal upon us and has given us the token of what is to come, that is, the spirit, in our hearts.””the spirit in our hea…[Read more]

Quote The only one that don't turn are Jesus and the Saints.Well, while none of them “turn” there are others who don't turn as well. It is true that none who make up the kingdom will fall away, but nowhere does scripture say that everyone else follows satan.

Quote It more then just some , its the wold earth that turns to evil and comes against Jesus and the saintsgene, I asked you for a scripture, anything. I've asked you to provide scriptures for your statements at least 50 times.Why is it you are unable to do this? You say:Quote its the wold earth that turns to evil But since Jesus said: “My…[Read more]

I'm actually wanting comments from people other than Gene:Quote WHAT IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD?Anyone? I'm wondering what others think it is.Scriptures would be nice.

Gene, on Jan 3d, you said this:The physical (KINGDOM) you speak of will only become a reality for everyone when the Kingdom inside takes place.First, nowhere does scripture differentiate two kingdoms of God. So, there is no need to put the word “physical” in front of the word kingdom.Secondly, SCRIPTURE IS ONCE AGAIN AGAINST YOU.DANIEL…[Read more]

Quote And even ask you why does all theose people who you and the JW's preach as Happy members of the “KINGDOM” here on earth (TURN) as soon as the EVIL is released on the earth again.I really don't know what you're referring to. Why don't you find the scripture and post it. Then, at least you could say you've “backed it up with logic and…[Read more]

Quote I have explained my belief that the Kingdom of GOD is within a person, and backed it up with logic and scriptures.–geneWHEREWhere are these scriptures Gene?We're trying to determine if your understanding of Luke 17:21 is correct or mine.You haven't used ANY scriptures to support your understanding.