Here's the scripture I was looking for but couldn't find:Ex. 31:16, 17: “The sons of Israel must keep the sabbath, so as to carry out the sabbath during their generations. It is a covenant to time indefinite . Between me and the sons of Israel it is a sign to time indefinite.” (Notice that sabbath observance was a sign between Jehovah and Isra…[Read more]

Quote we are told throughout scriptures that sabbath keeping is a law forever, throughout generationsl.Which scripture are you referring to?The word that many Bible's translates “forever” does not actually mean “forever.”  It's basic meaning is an unknown period of time that may or may not be quite long.  And so, in some instances, this might be f…[Read more]

Quote I believe that the gospel message evolved and that Christ revealed to Paul later in his life that justification was by faith alone.There are many aspects of the good news. While I don't think it changed, at times, different areas have been highlighted. I'm not sure what you mean by “justification” was by faith alone. I've gone in circles…[Read more]

ok, when did the new covenant come into effect.And what do the words “old” and “new” mean to you.

“Entering into the synagogue, he spoke with boldness for three months, GIVING TALKS and using persuasion CONCERNING the KINGDOM OF GOD.” (acts 19:8)“And now, look! I know that all of YOU among whom I went PREACHING THE KINGDOM will see my face no more.” (acts 20:25)”And he explained the matter to them by bearing thorough witness concerning the k…[Read more]

“Entering into the synagogue, he spoke with boldness for three months, GIVING TALKS and using persuasion CONCERNING the KINGDOM OF GOD.” (acts 19:8)“And now, look! I know that all of YOU among whom I went PREACHING THE KINGDOM will see my face no more.” (acts 20:25)”And he explained the matter to them by bearing thorough witness concerning the k…[Read more]

A child should fear displeasing his father. IT's not a morbid dreadful fear, but a healthy respectful fear.

Quote Jesus proclaimed the “Gospel of the kingdom”.  Paul preached the “Gospel of grace”.  Two different gospels.Incorrect.”Entering into the synagogue, he spoke with boldness for three months, GIVING TALKS and using persuasion CONCERNING the KINGDOM OF GOD.” (acts 19:8)“And now, look! I know that all of YOU among whom I went PREACHING THE KIN…[Read more]

Quote Stop ignoring those scriptures that you cannot twist to tell your itching ears what they want to hear.Kerwin, I totally feel your frustration here and sympathize. When someone cannot even acknowledge the existence of certain scriptures, and will not even discuss them, but only wants to discuss their one single scripture which they…[Read more]

Quote In other words your choose to cherry pick the scriptures you will believe and how you would interpret them instead of looking at for a rational whole that is consistent with God’s nature.Exactly. I have categorical proof that he does do this. Pages of it.

Nick……….you have not one single proof of one single Human person going into a literal lake of literal Fire and Perishing, NON whatsoever Brother your are speculating about a symbolic Word. THERE IS FAR MORE SCRIPTURE THAT SHOWS FIRE AS BEING SYMBOLIC FOR JUDGEMENT THEN ANYTHING ELSE.So, Gene, apparently, because there are “far more…[Read more]

Quote Gene,Amen brother! But many still want to live under the old covenant.–thinkerQuote David,Jesus said that he would be with them until the conclusion of the system of things. Jesus was talking about the conclusion of the old covenant.–THINKERI'm curious when you think the old covenant ended and when the new covenant began.I don't think…[Read more]

Back to the topic.

MATTHEW 28:19-20“Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, BAPTIZING THEM in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.””Christian baptism isn't something we do ou…[Read more]

Quote Both the circumcision and the baptism are spiritual. . . .Baptism does not replace circumcision. Rather both are spiritual now.Are you suggesting that people are not to be literally baptized, with water?

Acts 22:16: “Rise, get baptized and wash your sins away BY YOUR CALLING UPON HIS NAME.”

Further understanding of the meaning of John’s baptism is gained by comparing various translations of Luke 3:3. John came “preaching baptism in symbol of repentance for forgiveness of sins” (NW); “baptism conditioned on repentance” (CB); “baptism whereby men repented, to have their sins forgiven” (Kx); “baptism in token of repentance for…[Read more]

Quote Nick………Jesus was talking about what was written in the (BOOKS) of the law and Prophets Quote The definite article in front of the word (LAW) identifies it as the ten commandments. You were right the first time Gene. The phrase “the law and the prophets” is used a couple of times to refer to the Hebrew scriptures as a whole. There was…[Read more]

And how does heavenly Jerusalem above fit into this?

Quote Nick, what do the words “heavenly Jersualem” “Jerusalem above” and “new Jerusalem” mean to you?Quote The assembled body of Christ–NickYes, but, are they on earthly Jersusalem, or “heavenly Jersualem”….”Jerusalem above”?What does “heavenly” and “above” mean to you?