Quote David, you said “ not that they would fail to warn their children about these gods, but they would not mention them with any esteem.Yet you want to call Moses “God” with esteem, right? Did they teach their children that Moses was “a God”?“TO Pharoah” as the Bible plainly says he was, at that time. We teach children WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.And n…[Read more]

Quote I am taking your word for it now that you have never believed that Jesus was no better than Moses. I was not trying to lie about it. I was telling you what I hear.–Thinker.Well, who did you 'HEAR' it from? Because then, they are the liar, or they are just grossly misinformed.You did not hear it from me, and you cannot quote me saying that,…[Read more]

Quote David, the scriptures do not say “I have made you God to Pharaoh,”. I noticed you also used the big “G”. That’s not the way it is translated. Wait a minute, I just realized that the NWT translates it that way with a “Big G”. HMMM?Does Hebrew have capital letters? Oh, that's right, there are no capitals letters in Hebrew.Quote But, David see…[Read more]

Quote I have already explained to David a number of times that “to Pharaoh” a Polytheist YHWH made Moses “a god”. To me that means that “Pharoah believed that Moses was “a god”.–WJ, somewhere around page 48But, the Bible doesn't say: “Jehovah MADE PHARAOH BELIEVE that Moses was a god.” Does it?It actually says that Jehovah made Moses a god to…[Read more]

Quote David do you believe that to YHWH, and Moses and Joshua or Aarron, and the Hebrews that Moses was “a god”?Or do you believe that Moses was to them “like God”?Think real hard David before you answer! WJ, thankyou for the question. (I too have been away.)No, of course I do not believe that Moses was a god to Moses? or Joshua, or Jehovah,…[Read more]

“No. Moses was not a god at all. To Pharaoh he was and thats it.”–WJWJ, I'm wondering if you could elaborate on what you mean by “god.”Moses was “not a god at all.” But, to Pharaoh he was a god…in some way. Also, if the Bible states that Moses was a god to Pharaoh, as you say, how can you also say he was “no god at all”?

Quote (david @ Sep. 06 2009,17:05)“What does “no God” mean to you David? Does it mean there is “no god except” the false god that Pharaoh perceived of Moses?” –WJ (p 38)WJ, are you saying Jehovah made a false god?  You also stated:“No, I am sugesting that Pharaoh acknowledged that Moses was some sort of “a god” who he may or may not have worsh…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 06 2009,10:21)Quote (david @ Sep. 05 2009,18:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 06 2009,10:14)Quote (david @ Sep. 05 2009,18:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 06 2009,09:51)DavidQuote (david @ Sep. 05 2009,17:31)WJ, “you are a true trinitarian.”That doesn't mean everyone else on here who believes in the trinity are…[Read more]

Nick, you seem to have an opinion on this. Why don't you tell us which books have come and gone.

Quote People overlook that fact that in that upper room, where they received the Holy Ghost, there was no one present who did not speak the same language.  That speaking in tongues was not the same gift manifested later to that crowd of milti-languaged people.So the speaking in tongues in the upper room was not the same.  This was the tongue g…[Read more]

Quote Holy (set apart) Spirit = The SON OF GOD. . . .God created through his son the HS all things. –jeffJeff, in the Greek Scriptures (New Testament) where Jesus is mentioned often, is he mentioned as being God's holy spirit?JOHN 1:32“John also bore witness, saying: “I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven, and it remained upo…[Read more]

https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=211;hl=tonguesA very large thread on this subject, for reference.

Quote David,”The only problem is, the two “beings” we see are not Jehovah and “the spirit.””I dont follow you? Are you saying because he is called Elohim? No, I'm saying God's holy spirit, his “finger” isn't a being, it's the force he uses to exert his will. The other being God was talking to when he said “let US make man…” was his…

Quote In genesis it says the “spirit of God”. One could easily say the Christ of God. No. “spirit” and “christ” are completely different words, in both English and Hebrew. So, “one could easily say” that, as you just easily did, but it would not really be correct. They have different very meanings.Makes sense?Quote Now, what the makeup of…[Read more]

Yes, back to the canon. It seems whenever there is a topic I want to discuss, it is quickly taken over with some other topic. It no longer even seems to matter what the topic is. I just realized that Keith, Thinker and I have been having a conversation for 20 pages in that thread started by Rokka about Paul, yet we haven't been discussing…[Read more]

Quote These passages present quite a conundrum for you guys and gals.–The Thinker.The Thinker,Perhaps I missed it, but you forgot to state what the “conundrum” is. I don't seem to see it.Is it this thing in bold:Quote THEREFORE: GOD'S WORK “THROUGH” JESUS CHRIST MUST MEAN THROUGH THE OPERATION OF JESUS CHRIST THUS ESTABLISHING THEIR ONENESS!Yes,…[Read more]

Quote If we only see 2 beings at the creation and we know that God created through christ, then the spirit that god was creating through in gen MUST be christ/the word.The only problem is, the two “beings” we see are not Jehovah and “the spirit.” (The spirit, or God's holy spirit is something God possesses. See above comments.)But the Bible does…[Read more]

Looking at Ps 33:6 above, the spirit that he used to Create the universe seems to be something he possesses.More than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.” All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality r…[Read more]

Quote Gen 1 says that God and the Spirit created all things.–JeffDoes Gen 1 say “God and THE SPIRIT” or does it say “God's spirit”? (Gen 1:1) Psalm 33:6 says: “By the word of Jehovah the heavens themselves were made, and by the spirit of his mouth all their army.” Like a powerful breath, God’s spirit can be sent forth to exert power even thoug…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 07 2009,06:22)Quote (david @ Sep. 06 2009,17:15)What is the GSR.  My name keeps coming up with reference to it, and I don't even know what it is.Grandville Sharp Rule – Google it.Ah, I see.I don't have to google it, I have a file on it.