Quote The reality is that we are slaves to those we owe and the price for what we owe could be light or very burdensome. Very few things are free, so the price for money you do not have or a house you cannot pay makes you a slave. T8, I know we are debt slaves or slaves in a sense. But reality is that no one can beat me with a stick right now if…[Read more]

Quote This verse is not teaching us about people who work for us. It is not for us to act as God to other people. God knows what he is doing and we do not. God disciplines all for good reason. I bet when this world is over, we will see just how much God did in order to get each one of us to be with him. Sure he doesn't get every soul, but there…[Read more]

Quote However, sometimes being a slave or bond-servant of a human master is not that bad. To some degree we are slaves to those we owe money to, such as the bank. And it is of course true that some slaves would die if their masters did not care for them and feed them in return for work. So you have to look at it in the light of each situation. But…[Read more]

Quote Okay a lot of stuff to wade through here, but for now, I would say that not all slavery is bad as I have said, such as being a bond-servant of Christ by choice. But it is bad to enslave someone because you can. i.e., give them a horrible life so you can have an easier one. I don't see that as a loving thing for me to do. That said, God lets…[Read more]

Quote That said, God lets men be enslaved just as he lets men be killed, or be robbed, or knocked over the head with a frozen sausage.But allowing something seems different than regulating it. And in some instances even commanding it. No rules were made saying: “when killing you must use a knife, but not a stick.” Or “when stealing you can take…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 10 2014,13:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2014,12:34)Quote (david @ April 08 2014,23:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,01:53)Quote (david @ April 03 2014,23:10)I keep trying to ask that we here discuss only the former………David,Poor Israelites could become real, live, legitimate SLAVES of another person by selling…[Read more]

Quote Poor Israelites could become real, live, legitimate SLAVES of another person by selling themselves to that other person.Not “hired servants”, but legitimate SLAVES.”It was this comment by you, when you were responding to me trying to make a distinction, that caused me to continue on pointing this out to you. The scripture literally says the…[Read more]

After me quoting lev 25 a couple times in response to you, you said:”Dude,Why are you nit-picking? You brought up SLAVERY, and then scolded me for talking about Israelites who sold themselves into SLAVERY.”I'm not so much not picking any more than the writer of Leviticus was not picking. I'm merely pointing out the difference. Call them both…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2014,01:53)Quote (david @ April 03 2014,23:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 04 2014,11:12)Some poor people sold themselves to others.  The agreement is that they would receive room and board, and in turn they would do laborious work for their owner.According to the Bible, a rich relative could buy them out of the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 20 2014,09:12)God teaches men lessons in this life. He uses the imperfect things in this world created by man and demon to discipline men.Enslavement was always a judgement. God knows the bigger picture better than you. And you question his character like Job's friends. That is fine. We need to know answers. If a perfect God…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 15 2014,09:38)Quote (david @ Mar. 29 2014,10:14)A modest proposal:We institute forced slavery, as it was sanctioned in the Bible by God.Hi david. Where is this sanctioned forced slavery that gives us the right to enslave people. I have quite a bit of work to do around the property today, so could do with a slave to help me. But…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 20 2014,09:05)Quote (david @ April 18 2014,16:28)But if this were just 100 or 200 years ago, and slavery were still legal, would forced slavery be wrong?  And how would you scripturally defend that position?Love your fellow man as you love yourself. I don't want to be a slave to another man, thus I will not enslave others.T8,So…[Read more]

Quote Jesus did not come here to fix each problem that the world has one by one. He came here to teach the Kingdom of God which is perfect. His mission was not to perfect the old world, but to preach the new one. Why? Because this world is already judged and the age of darkness is fading away. This world has no future. Why bother with fixing this…[Read more]

Kerwin. I'm pretty sure when I capitalized some words I accidently added that word. Thanks for catching this.

Sorry kerwin you are right. I have no idea why the word “not” is in there. It isn't in the bible I normally use. Not sure what happened there. I think I have to edited that about quote and I'll show the edits.

Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2014,07:08)David,I provided a link to a number of versions and they say “she is to go with him”, ” his wife shall go out with him”, “his wife is to leave with him” or some paraphrase of that.  The one you quoted seemed to have said just the opposite.21:4 speaks of a different situation.  It tells of a man who is given a s…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2014,15:30)DavidQuote my question is: is forced slavery morally wrong?yes it is ;it breaks one of the two commandments Christ citedSo Christ spoke a lot on the law. He said: it is written…but I say to you. He adjusted a lot and did away with some. It would have been so easy for him to say: “maybe no more owning…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2014,15:30)DavidQuote my question is: is forced slavery morally wrong?yes it is ;it breaks one of the two commandments Christ citedTerr,Is it morally wrong to comment in the hot seat if you aren't the one addressed? ((I really don't know. This is why I'm asking. I don't know how the hot seat works.))See posts…

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2014,12:24)Quote (david @ April 14 2014,00:09)Everyone is of course free to discuss whatever they wish but if you or others confuse the two, I am going to mention it.I don't think anyone on this entire site is “confused” about the difference between forced slavery and voluntary slavery.That being said, if I decide…[Read more]

Kerwin, I will use whichever version you prefer. Which word or parts were different?