Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2010,18:27)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 01 2010,23:44)Believe it or not there are people that look like that today.The only part that really looks ape like are the end of the nostrils which have no bone structure, so are open to interpretation anyway.What do you mean the part that “looks like ape”?The whole thing you are looking at is…[Read more]

Jude 25 shows the relationship, saying: “God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (See also Acts 13:23.)

Quote davidExcellent post; but you see, trinitarian's don't use logic or common sense, its a matter of pride.Georg, I think you're wrong. I have seen them use logic before. It's just a rare occurrence, and usually not connected to the trinity in any way.

WJ, I think you missed my question. For the third time:If as you say, angels are not gods (Elohyim) “at all” why does the Bible use that exact term to describe them?Please answer this question directly.I think I understand your confusion. It seems that you hold that “God” = “creator” or “someone worshiped.” It does not mean that, although…[Read more]

Quote DavidWhat you are advocating is there are other types of gods!Not scriptural, but in fact has its roots in pagan Greek mythology!WJNo, I'm explaining to you (rather patiently I might add) that the BIBLE doesn't use the word “god” in the way you do, at least, not as a whole. In the Bible AS A WHOLE, the word “god” is a descriptive word. It…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 06 2010,06:22)Hi AllThe definition of Polytheism is the belief in more than one God!Polytheism  The worship of or belief in more than one god. (American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language)Polytheismbelief in several deities: the worship of or belief in more than one deity, especially several…[Read more]

Quote The Greek word for Angels invariably is “aggelos” not “Theos”.Right, and the Hebrew words for God and Angel are different too. Just as the english words SUV and vehicle are different. So what does it mean when someone is speaking of angels and refers to them as gods?I guess that's the question? I can answer it because I know what 'god'…[Read more]

Quote DavidWhat childrens Bible?You mean the NWT No, I assumed you were using one of those picture Bible's that paraphrases things. My Bible has been described as “hyper-literal,” and yes, they said it was a bad thing, making it a hard read. But what it is not, is a picture Bible, like I imagine you must be referring to. I hate those paraphrase…

Quote (david @ Feb. 05 2010,18:51)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 05 2010,18:46)Quote (david @ Feb. 05 2010,02:40)WJ,What happens when we include all the scriptures?What happens if we look at your scriptures above, with the other scriptures that refer to angels, judges, etc as “gods.”?DavidWhat happens is you realize that the word “'elohiym” does…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 05 2010,18:49)Quote (david @ Feb. 05 2010,02:46)Quote (david @ Feb. 05 2010,18:28)Quote If as you say, angels are not gods (Elohyim) “at all” why does the Bible use that exact term to describe them?Please answer this question directly.WJ, I included the word “directly” because I wanted you to actually answer the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 05 2010,18:46)Quote (david @ Feb. 05 2010,02:40)WJ,What happens when we include all the scriptures?What happens if we look at your scriptures above, with the other scriptures that refer to angels, judges, etc as “gods.”?DavidWhat happens is you realize that the word “'elohiym” does not always mean “a god” but can…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 05 2010,18:28)Quote If as you say, angels are not gods (Elohyim) “at all” why does the Bible use that exact term to describe them?Please answer this question directly.WJ, I included the word “directly” because I wanted you to actually answer the question, not just hint at it, or allude to it, or pretend to answer it.PLEASE…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 05 2010,18:41)Quote (david @ Feb. 05 2010,02:29)Quote Why do you insist on teaching and promoting Polytheism?–WJWJ, please name the other gods I worship.If anyone is promoting Polytheism, it is you, “Worshipping Jesus.”  Your very name denotes that you are polytheistic….that is, unless you don't worship the…[Read more]

WJ, And what is the word, the orginal Hebrew word that some paraphrase or whatever? I don't consider the children's Bible's, the ones with pictures in them to be of much use. Do you?As my first post says:Quote The New Brown-Driver-Briggs-Gesenius Hebrew-English Lexicon, 1979, Hendrickson, p. 43:Elohim: “a. rulers, judges, either as divine…[Read more]

Quote …We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that “there is no God but one”. For “even if there are so‑called gods”, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 1 Cor 8:4, 5Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and underst…[Read more]

Quote T8They are not Gods at all. So, those “inspired” Bible writers were wrong to call them that?Is that what you are saying?Who are we to believe? You, or them?Which makes more sense?Clearly, something is wrong with your logic.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2010,18:25)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 24 2009,04:34)Quote (david @ Dec. 22 2009,18:42)But make no mistake…..The Bible does use the word “god” with reference to ones who were neither “false gods” or “The God.”David himself cited Wikipedia which says that the NWT contains an “incoherent polytheism.” David's statement above…[Read more]

Quote Why do you insist on teaching and promoting Polytheism?–WJWJ, please name the other gods I worship.If anyone is promoting Polytheism, it is you, “Worshipping Jesus.” Your very name denotes that you are polytheistic….that is, unless you don't worship the Father, as Jesus did.hmmmm.

Quote If as you say, angels are not gods (Elohyim) “at all” why does the Bible use that exact term to describe them?Please answer this question directly.WJ, I included the word “directly” because I wanted you to actually answer the question, not just hint at it, or allude to it, or pretend to answer it.

According to normal logic and the way people normally speak, when it says: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:,of course it is talking about Jesus, the firstborn who, as it mentions is in some way connected/related to the invisible God, being the image or reflection of that God.Normally (in any case other than…[Read more]