Quote (JustAskin @ April 09 2010,13:08)I love the false backslapping that TT is giving to WJ.So false. Tt is just posting to try and support his ailing colleague in the same way a mother tells her wayward children that they are the good ones and all the others are the nasty one, always picking on her kids after her kids just bricked an innocent…[Read more]

Mark 12:1-10Also, he started to speak to them with illustrations: “A man planted a vineyard, and put a fence around it, and dug a vat for the winepress and erected a tower, and let it out to cultivators, and traveled abroad. 2 Now in due season he sent forth a slave to the cultivators, that he might get some of the fruits of the vineyard from th…[Read more]

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Quote No one disputes that the Father “sent” Jesus into the world to die for our sins. But she takes away from the fact Jesus also came on His own initiative.— thunkerBut did Jesus come of his own initiative?JOHN 7:28,29″Also, I have not come of my own initiative, but he that sent me is real, and YOU do not know him.  I know him, because I am a…[Read more]

Strong beliefs lead to strong feelings which lead to strong actions–murders. An atheist has more of a lack of belief than a belief.How many atheists die for their atheist beliefs? Basically none. How many religious people die for their religious beliefs? More than “basically none.” A lot. Religious people have strong beliefs and strong…[Read more]

Satan must love that the very instrument Jesus is shown to have died on is a very pagan symbol.

Quote the Bible, God's creater record book and futur visions ?for man?how come so much decied ?so much miss understanding,so much divission,so many interpretations.why,why,why.????PLEASE ANSWER TRUHTFULLYWhy did Jesus say he spoke to people in illustrations?

Quote I think in 4 dimensions, and I defy you to demonstrate the reality of anything beyond that number.Sounds like something someone in flat world would say about the third dimension.

The cross or various forms of the cross have been worshiped way before Jesus died on a stauros/xylon (a stake).  Yes, that is what those two words seem to mean.  Your xylophone isn't made out of crosses, it's made out of single straight pieces of wood.  A PAGAN SYMBOLThe cross has been used through history as an object of pagan worship and of su…[Read more]

I would like to point out that, besides almost worshiping the instrument of Jesus' torturous death being wrong, we're not really sure he died on a “cross.”(For Lighten up, yes, it was the “stauros” (Gk) that killed him, not nails in his hands.  Put nails in someones hands, and see if they die.  It was hanging on this stauros, this form of t…[Read more]

Quote It is you that is saying God cannot be tempted when in fact I show you that he can!–wjOk WJ, Tempt God.Jesus “became flesh.” He was human. He became flesh means he became human. Jesus became the second Adam and was a corresponding ransom for what Adam lost. He had to be human to do this. As a human, Jesus could be tempted. There is no…[Read more]

“Then why do you incessantly invoke that men were called “gods” and “saviors” if it does not prove anything one way or the other?”–thinker.WJ seemed to agree with the above and thought it was some sort of irrefutable logicI don't think either really understand logic.  I will explain in point form.1. Since many others are called saviors, gods,…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 03 2010,11:35)I am back for a little while tonight.TO DAVID:The Messenger of Jehovah who saved the people out of Egypt (Numbers 20:16) is called “Jehovah” by Jehovah Himself:20 “Behold, I send a Messenger before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of Him and obey H…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 03 2010,10:50)Quote (david @ Mar. 03 2010,10:34)Thinker, can you spend some time and come up with some very precise words which define your argument about Jesus and Jehovah both being called “savior.”  Thank you.Just so we're clear:MY ARGUMENT:The fact that Jehovah and Jesus are called savior, god, lord, king, etc, proves…[Read more]

Things people do when they have no real proof of anything:1. Attack the person.2. Distract and sidtrack.3. Show a cartoon and hope people will forget the facts.

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 03 2010,11:29)David said:Quote Hence, logically, it cannot be said to prove anything one way or the other.David,Then why do you incessantly invoke that men were called “gods” and “saviors” if it does not prove anything one way or the other? thinkerThinker, (ah, the irony), It is the FACT that men are called these things…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 03 2010,11:32)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 02 2010,19:29)David said:Quote Hence, logically, it cannot be said to prove anything one way or the other.David,Then why do you incessantly invoke that men were called “gods” and “saviors” if it does not prove anything one way or the other? thinker     How true!!!WJI know you g…[Read more]

WJ, I don't remember saying that.  What I said, which you agreed with was:The fact that Jehovah and Jesus are called savior, god, lord, king, etc, proves nothing IN ITSELF, since many others are called these things.Since many others are called saviors, gods, kings, lords, etc, etc, etc, this fact in itself proves that we cannot just make the…[Read more]

WJ, I answered you here, where you also said the same words:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….t=3099;

It can easily be said by your logic that since many are called savior, god, lord, king, etc that would mean that it does not prove “IN ITSELF” that the Father is any of those things!–Worshiping Jesus.Thank you, WJ.So, it proves nothing by itself.