Quote If your arguement is if the Apostles believed in this? your right it doesnt prove that they did.  But if your saying that the mandate of Jesus Christ doesnt prove anything,…. well i think we need to double check that one. –Dennison.Dennison, please stop listening to WJ's repeated propaganda.  He creates false arguments and then repeats t…[Read more]

Quote We are argueing WJ's response if the Early Apostles and church fathers believed this. I would agree that wouldnt prove that they believed it, but the Scripture does speak of Three in one. –dennisonWhat I am arguing is against this, which many have said:“. . . Matthew 28:19 is unambiguous evidence that the early Apostles and Church Fathers…[Read more]

Quote How can the Holy Spirit give orders if its an impersonal things, its like a glass of water trying me to drink it. If something speaks under its own authority it because it exists as a personal being, with a personality. Use Psycho analysis to study the Holy Spirit and you can see all the charateristics and attributes match those of Jesus…[Read more]

Quote Well God doesn't have any physical characteristics…he is a spirit…so if you want to call his spirit a spiritual finger or arm, go ahead and do so…it doesn't make a difference…eitherway it's his driving force that moves thing.We are not in disagreement, only our perceptions are clashing but we're singing the same song.Hi Rokka. Just…[Read more]

Quote Hi David,I think im going to have answer your response in two fashions because your right we did go off in two different tangents.1. The Priority is to prove if that one scripture proves if The early Apostles and church Fathers believed in the Trinity2. If the Holy Spirit really is part of an co-equal entity, a Trinity. Hi SimplyForgiven,WJ,…[Read more]

Quote You cannot takes God's spirit as a literal interpretation as his literal finger.You however can metophorically use it as his driving force.That is what I do. I do not think God has a literal finger. But, for the sake of understanding, he inspired that to be written. We understand what a finger is and what it can do. Similarly, in the…[Read more]

Quote How can he be called the spirit of God and not be God?How can Adam be called the son “of God” and not be God? The fact that the word “of” is in there indicates a relationship and that they are not the same.The finger of you, is your finger. It is not “you.” It is “of you” or part “of” you. You possess it. It is your finger, just as it…[Read more]

Quote Genesis 11In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.How can he be called the spirit of God and not be God?Hi Rokkaman.LUKE 11:20But if it is by means of God’s finger I expel the d…[Read more]

Quote He mentioned him more than once and many times without mentioning the Father or Jesus. So what have you proved David?Your argument is based on what is “not written”, and mine is based on what is written!Yes, WJ, my argument is that the trinity is not written into the text. Yes, Sometimes just the Father is mentioned, sometimes just Jesus,…[Read more]

Quote Please explain why Jesus would mention the Holy Spirit with the definite article and a singular name if the Holy Spirit is merely a “force” or “power” as you claim? Wouldn’t that be “disrespect of immense magnitude” to the Father and Jesus by speaking of the Holy Spirit on equal terms with the Father and the Son?I don't know that he was s…[Read more]

My question:”QUESTION 4: If there were a third person involved, wouldn’t Paul have surely known about it and included “Him” in his greetings to the congregations? (What does it mean that Paul was unaware of the holy spirit being part of a triune God?)”WJ's response:”I thought you just asked this. It is Jesus that speaks of the third person in Ma…[Read more]

WJ, page 4, second post:WJ's TACTICS WHEN HE DOESN'T HAVE SCRIPTURES TO SUPPORT HIMSELF:He begins:I am sure our Lord Jesus would have plenty to say about your claim that his words “prove nothing” but only that some can count to three. This is the typical response of the JWs who do not respect Jesus own words but in fact love to make his words of…[Read more]

Quote DavidA quick response.So you are saying that Jesus “own words” prove nothing?This is a mandate to the church from the Lord himself!One name given for three “distinct identities” all spoken of with the definite article which implies persons.Why don't you address this point instead of creating all these diversions and smoke screens?Are you…[Read more]

Quote DavidA quick response.So you are saying that Jesus “own words” prove nothing?WJ, it is this kind of false reasoning and pointless attacks that make me question your credibility.Obviously, I did not say that “Jesus 'own words' prove nothing' as if to make my fight against Jesus words.What I did in fact say is that the fact that 3 are…[Read more]

Quote However, it does contain some minor errors which I won't expose now, but you may want to reread all that you posted and, kinda, draw a physical or mental picture of relationships in each passage. You will then see where some of those errors creep in.In all, if the sole purpose of your post is to disprove a Trinity by the mention of three,…[Read more]

Quote Your response post above is well researched and contains much truth that others should consider and contemplate.It must have taken some time to compile. A couple weeks and then on and off, adding scriptures as I found them.

Quote The issue isn't God and his being,The issue is your understanding of “equal”The Father has all authority even above Jesus.but Jesus has the power to forgive all sins.The Holy Spirit is a ministering spirit that guides us.They are all God and all equalRokkaman, my problem is the Bible and what it says. If not for that pesky Bible, the…[Read more]

Quote David what does this mean to you “THAT GOD MAY BE IN ALL AND (THROUGH) ALL”Gene, you continue to misapply Scripture.I know that is what that scripture said. But this subject is not whether God is in all. It is about the kingdom, as I'm sure you've noticed.Does God = Kingdom in your mind?It is referred to frequently as God's kingdom, hence…[Read more]

Quote David………First the foot notes you speak of shows that what i am saying is true if it say the kingdom of God is AMONG you what does that mean?Since Jesus is the king of that kingdom, what do you think those footnotes in those two Bibles you keep quoting mean?I know what I think they mean. I think they mean the kingdom was “within their…[Read more]

Quote genethe kingdom is in you only if you become a citizen of that kingdom and you produce the fruits of that kingdom.–Gene.Well then, this argument is closed. As I have said before and as Mike just asked you:Was he saying to those Pharisees that God's kingdom was dwelling inside of them? Apparently, Gene, in your view, the Pharisees to whom…[Read more]