Quote a slave is a HUMAN BEING who is either forced into slavery, or who SELLS HIMSELF into it.Now if you could define slavery we would know what a slave is.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 28 2014,06:05)Quote (david @ April 24 2014,21:02)If they were not to do slave labor I wonder what exactly makes them a slave.  If ownership is the sole requirement then my dog is a slave. And perhaps my child is a slave.Now who's “confused about the difference”?  A slave is a HUMAN BEING who is either forced into s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 28 2014,05:59)Quote (david @ April 24 2014,20:59)We may call both slaves.  But they were not the same.  They were treated differently with a different set of rules.  I'm sure we agree on this at least.Yep,We agree on that, David.  Still not seeing where I spoke “incorrectly”.You really only spoke incorrectly when you sai…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 24 2014,17:21)Mike,While I misuse the word blatantly, I think you misuse the word legitimate. You had said the Israelite “slaves” were:Not “hired servants”, but legitimate SLAVES.But the bible indicates they were to be treated like hired workers, and not do slave labour, (the sort of labour a legitimate slave would do) and to…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 24 2014,17:12)“you must NOT force him to do SLAVE LABOR. He should be TREATED LIKE A HIRED WORKER, like a settler.”I wonder what “slave labor” is.  Whatever it is, the Israelite slaves were not supposed to do it.  I'm sure they worked at something, like hired workers sort of, but not so much slave labor style like actual s…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2014,07:03)David,So you are speaking of either prisoners of war or those born to slavery.  It would seem to me male Hebrew children would be released on the year of Jubilees after the became an adult.Yes possibly. I haven't really looked at that. But that was only once every 50 years. Many wouldn't even see that time…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2014,13:06)Quote (david @ April 24 2014,00:06)EXCEPT,And this is a huge EXCEPT so I'm capitalizing it,  EXCEPT, with the Israelites, they weren't really “selling” them self.  It was more of a loan.EXCEPT,And this is an even huger EXCEPT, so I'm both capitalizing AND bolding it…… EXCEPT for the cases where the I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2014,13:06)Quote (david @ April 24 2014,00:06)EXCEPT,And this is a huge EXCEPT so I'm capitalizing it,  EXCEPT, with the Israelites, they weren't really “selling” them self.  It was more of a loan.EXCEPT,And this is an even huger EXCEPT, so I'm both capitalizing AND bolding it…… EXCEPT for the cases where the I…[Read more]

I feel like we may be Into no true scottsman territory.

Mike,While I misuse the word blatantly, I think you misuse the word legitimate. You had said the Israelite “slaves” were:Not “hired servants”, but legitimate SLAVES.But the bible indicates they were to be treated like hired workers, and not do slave labour, (the sort of labour a legitimate slave would do) and to not be treated cruelly (like an…[Read more]

“you must NOT force him to do SLAVE LABOR. He should be TREATED LIKE A HIRED WORKER, like a settler.”I wonder what “slave labor” is. Whatever it is, the Israelite slaves were not supposed to do it. I'm sure they worked at something, like hired workers sort of, but not so much slave labor style like actual slave labourers.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2014,13:33)Quote (david @ April 23 2014,19:30)Not “hired servants”, but legitimate SLAVES.–mikeYou should treat him like a hired worker, and NOT force him to do slave labour–bible.From Dictionary.com……….slave1. a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.If one SELLS HIMSELF to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2014,13:15)Quote (david @ April 23 2014,19:22)You had started calling me nit picky long before this I had thought.And once again, you had thought wrong.    The nit-picky accusation came after your scolding – as it was a direct result OF that scolding.Ya. I made a guess on that one. I sort of felt it might come back t…[Read more]

Not “hired servants”, but legitimate SLAVES.–mikeYou should treat him like a hired worker, and NOT force him to do slave labour–bible.

LEVITICUS 25:39-46,53“‘If your brother who lives nearby becomes poor and he has to sell himself to you, you must NOT force him to do SLAVE LABOR. He should be TREATED LIKE A HIRED WORKER, like a settler. He should serve with you until the Jubilee year. Then he will leave you, he and his children with him, and return to his family. He should ret…[Read more]

“Poor Israelites could become real, live, legitimate SLAVES of another person by selling themselves to that other person.Not “hired servants”, but legitimate SLAVES. They were from that moment on OWNED by the person to whom they sold themselves.”

Quote I can't see any place in Leviticus 25 that says Israelites DIDN'T sell themselves into slavery at times – and I am therefore unable to see a “blatantly incorrect” statement on my part.If I did make such a statement, then I'd like to know where – so I can make the appropriate apologies, and also adjust my previous, incorrect belief.If there…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 04 2014,16:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 04 2014,11:12)Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2014,11:45)Slavery is a type of employment contract whose terms vary from age to age and culture to culture.It could be, Kerwin.  Some poor people sold themselves to others.  The agreement is that they would receive room and board, and in turn t…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 20 2014,22:24)David, regarding LUKE 12:47,48, Jesus is teaching that we are all slaves. We are all indebted to God, and we are all disciplined. Is that not the meaning of what it is to be a disciple.When we knowingly do evil, then the price we pay is bigger than if we do it unknowingly. We are living with sin and sin is being…[Read more]

Quote It makes me laugh when the self-righteous say that the Bible is bad because it supports slavery and then they spend most of their waking life working their butts off to pay a mortgage. They too are clearly slaves to the lender.And to the slaves in this world, is the gospel not a message of salvation and freedom from sin and the things of…[Read more]