Kerwin, we are getting off track quite a bit but:

“I am not an advocate of spanking,” said Baumrind, “but a blanket injunction against its use is not warranted by the evidence. It is RELIANCE ON PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT, not whether or not it is used at all, THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH HARM TO THE CHILD.”–the researcher.

“It is reliance on physical…[Read more]

I am not opposed to physical discipline as do a number of people. I scoff at “scientific” reports that say it is bad for a child to receive physical discipline because I have received it with no harm done and perhaps wisdom gained, though I am hard headed. I also received abuse so I am aware of the difference.

So, you are using anecdotal evi…[Read more]

WAKEUP, this is maybe off point and meant for another place but the bible nowhere commands men to “spank” their children. Meaning hands on the buttocks. Rather it repeatedly talks about rods (large wooden poles). It uses the word “beat.” Sort of like how Paul was beat with a rod 5 times. (People were in fact beaten with rods back then. This…[Read more]

I’m saying we, we all, everyone on here, begins with their own morality and then overlays the bible on top.

Example: proverbs 20:30.

A thousand years ago when it was way more common to beat children and whip them and hit them with sticks as “discipline” you would likely have believed as most people around you: that it is moral to beat your…[Read more]

Terrarica, a guy named Stanley Milgram did an experiment which has been repeated over the decades with the same results. It showed that 55-65% of people will actually kill a stranger if an authority figure tells them to. (They feel absolved of responsibility because of the authority figure). You should google the Milgram experiment. Or watch…[Read more]

But I’m not suggesting some get their morality from who knows where and then insert the bible. I’m suggesting this is normally how it’s done. I feel if you lived a few hundred years ago you would be living in a time when corporeal punishment was more common and therefore would be explaining how utterly obvious it is that the right and moral…[Read more]

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I agree with you david that people cherry pick verses out of the Bible to support what they are doing. That is fine of course, but stretching it toward unsavoury behaviour is taking it out of context.

Jesus says this to the saints: “…he that overcometh, and keepeth My wor…

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i think that education in the reasons for not doing one thing in on way or another is important,–terr

With slavey it was books that people could finally read and therefore they could empathize with other people. Put themselves in the others shoes. Before then we dehumanized others making it easier to treat that way. But when you read a story…[Read more]

Simple terr:

A thousand years ago when parents mostly liked beating their kids (this is a time when public gory executions were fun and people burned cats alive for fun and in Germany they paid to have a cup of the blood of the person whose head was chopped off thinking it would help them somehow…. I’m getting off point. Back then people maybe…[Read more]

And one last thing to address. If someone says: without the bible how would we know not to murder or rape?

I would suggest that if the only reason you aren’t murdering and raping is because the bible says so, you should immediately check yourself into a mental hospital.

There are ways to reason out that these are immoral. But I’m mostly…[Read more]

Nick, to be clear, I am not discussing what is right or wrong but am discussing what people perceive to be right or wrong.
And I’m not here arguing that anything is right or wrong but am asking where the ideas of what is right or wrong actually come from.

30 years ago homosexuals were having hate crimes committed against them. Today that is…[Read more]

Scripture can be interpretative many ways and predominate interpretation changes in time. The bottom line is that the people of the worlD

Yes kerwin. Scripture (about what is good and what is bad behavior) can be understood in many ways and those ways seem to change, over time, with the views of Society and reason.
And so, where is our…[Read more]

Or how women were treated in the past. They were viewed almost as property. And so men would look to certain scriptures about how to treat them or how they were treated and use those to support “discipling” their wives. What you own you may do with as you like, they thought. But today times are different. And today we look at different…[Read more]

Slacery is a good example.  In the past when slacery was viewed as okay you had owners taking their slaves to church with them and they would all listen to the preacher point out the slave scriptures.   Today the world view has changed.  And so we mostly ignore those scriptures or find a way to make them not about literal slavery.  So we are fir…[Read more]

Hi t8

it feels like you are providing a perfect example of what I’m talking about.  It also feels like you did as you said, cherry picked scriptures about the rod.  I’ve looked up every one.  While there are some that are definitely symbolic in nature most are not.  Paul was even heated with a rod.  Literally.  Maybe in the days of stoning hitti…[Read more]

I should finish my thought.  So, today, attitudes towards slavery and hitting children have changed.  But the bible dint change.  So where do we get our ideas about right and wrong (our morals) from?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2014,16:58)Hi David Yes. Religious indoctrination can change that.I would say any indoctrination or programming (and not just religious)Nick. If a person isn't indoctrinated by their parents with ideas of good and bad, then will that person still have the same feelings of conscience?

We think of conscience as an inborn feeling of right and wrong. But isn't this actually just belief that is taught (programmed) into us as children?We feel strongly that canabalism is a no no. But cannibals aren't born with a feeling that this is wrong. They are taught that it is good and normal. And so they actually feel bad or off or not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2014,13:19)Quote (david @ April 28 2014,22:13)You really only spoke incorrectly when you said:Not “hired servants”, but legitimate SLAVES. They were from that moment on OWNED by the person to whom they sold themselves.” Although called slaves they were to be treated like hired workers. And they weren't owned from that…[Read more]