Quote David you have to learn to think out side of you religious associations and ties brother. Your simply feeding us JW watch tower  Material. IMO–Gene,Regardless of whether that is true or not, what matters obviously is what the scriptures say and what they don't say.  It would be a fallacy to say that anything I say is wrong simply because s…[Read more]

Quote The JW's say that the Tetragrammaton does not translate to kurios. Therefore, the name Jehovah cannot replace the word kurios and the NWT translators lied through their teeth no mmatter how you slice it.I don't think the NWT translators ever said that “Jehovah” was “replacing” “Lord.”Rather, they consistently refer to it as a restoration.…[Read more]

Quote you are mixing two things to be in the kingdom and receiving the right to sit in a throne (144k) you right if we talk about the 144k ,but you are telling me that anyone living on earth is not in the kingdom ?I think I see the trouble now. When i say kingdom, I think “government run by king” which means people. You however think of more of…[Read more]

I know what you mean Mike. I often feel like I have entered the funny farm here. It often feels to me, that we do everything we can to avoid what is actually said about the kingdom itself, and instead focus on 'God will be all in all,' and then apply that to the kingdom, and add string upon string of ideas that are jumbled without actually…[Read more]

Here is my post from a few pages back, because no one touched upon it:”T8Why do you believe jesus said the kingdom is “within us”?I believe the idea that the kingdom (a word that means “government, empire” etc) is within people does not line up with ACCURATE scripture.There is really only one scripture that pushes people to believe that, and it's…[Read more]

Gene, here is why some explaining is in order.You continually say the kingdom of god is “within us.”Well, I could just as easily dismiss that translation in favor of:“The kingdom of God is in your midst.” (New World Translation) “For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.” (NASB)“Because God's kingdom is already among you.” (The Message…[Read more]

Quote So we can say Jesus was in the kingdom of God and so are all who do the Fathers Will ,Was Abel in the kingdom of God? Why do people pray for it if it always existed?

Quote T8Why do you believe jesus said the kingdom is “within us”?I believe the idea that the kingdom (a word that means “government, empire” etc) is within people does not line up with ACCURATE scripture.There is really only one scripture that pushes people to believe that, and it's not translated that way in most modern Bibles. It is in fact, a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2011,02:18)Quote (david @ Sep. 11 2011,22:45)Pierre, did you notice my response to you where I quoted Matthew 20:23?You said:”IT IS A SELF CHOICE TO BE IN THE KINGDOM ,BUT THE RULES ARE OF GOD,”Yet, the Bible says:“He said to her: “What do you want?” She said to him: “Give the word that these my two sons may sit down, o…[Read more]

Quote the Kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdomBoth Pierre and T8 said this, but I dislike definitions that have the very word they are trying to define in them.X is X?ok.Once we define what X actually is, it becomes much easier to have a clear understanding of the “within us” / “in our midst” scripture.

Quote I offered him the same challenge I once offered to Keith: Show me a scripture that the NWT translates incorrectly.I find this quote from jason Beduhn applicable:”Atrocious, deceitful, and inaccurate” may be what some call the NWT, but such a characterization is completely erroneous. Nearly every message I have received since the Watchtower…[Read more]

Quote I already gave you the money for the brain transplant. I know this is now off topic, but:Could there ever be such a thing as a brain transplant?Or would that be a body transplant?Something to think about.

Why is it that virtually everyone who assumes something thinks what they assume is “reasonable?” Can you demonstrate how a group of small zealots differs from a group of large zealots? Having a large number of people doesn't reduce the “margin of error” if those people all have the same beliefs already. You can have one Einstein and a…[Read more]

Quote None of the English versions I checked translate it that way. E.g.-http://www.biblegateway.com/passage….YLT;ESVGiven that teams of expert translators (sometimes >100) were assigned to these generating some of these translations, I'd say your rendering has got incredibly low odds of being “correctly translated”.Mike, sometimes you've just…[Read more]

I would suggest Is 1:18 as a moderator, but he's trinitarian, so everything he says is wrong. (I say this only to irritate the logic of Is 1:18)

Pierre, did you notice my response to you where I quoted Matthew 20:23?You said:”IT IS A SELF CHOICE TO BE IN THE KINGDOM ,BUT THE RULES ARE OF GOD,”Yet, the Bible says:“He said to her: “What do you want?” She said to him: “Give the word that these my two sons may sit down, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your kingdom.” 22 Jesus…[Read more]

GENE, show me scriptures that explain or back up what you say. For example, say:”God rules (IN) the Heart and Minds of his childern” (scripture citation goes here)Pierre, it is not a “self choice” to be in the kingdom. God chooses the rulers:MATTHEW 20:23“He said to them: “YOU will indeed drink my cup, but this sitting down at my right hand and…[Read more]

T8Why do you believe jesus said the kingdom is “within us”?I believe the idea that the kingdom (a word that means “government, empire” etc) is within people does not line up with ACCURATE scripture.There is really only one scripture that pushes people to believe that, and it's not translated that way in most modern Bibles.  It is in fact, a…[Read more]

“the kingdom will rule over all creation then the creation is part of the kingdom”–terriccaThe Canadian government rules over all of canada, then Canada is part of the government. False.and so all become part of that government. False.Pierre, could you give your definition or understanding of what the “kingdom” actually is?

Mike misleads in one thread on purpose…that is deceptive.–Lightenup.Lightenup, when you quoted his words, you forgot to include the smiley face after the word “godhead.” Clearly, he doesn't believe in a godhead. You also said:”This proves that Mike is trying so bad to make the saints into a part of the Godhead as gods. In the kingdom of God,…[Read more]