Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,03:20)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 17 2011,02:47)David…………You are using your JW Bible translation to support you false teachings of the Kingdom of God only being a Physical Kingdom becasue it makes you people feel you are special , unique, and separates you from the rest of the world so by that you people think…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2011,02:59)Quote (david @ Sep. 17 2011,00:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2011,12:43)Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 15 2011,19:01)the government is in our hearts ,because that is were God says he will put it ,according to scriptures,What scripture says this, Pierre?So I'm not the only one wondering this.Pierre, please provide…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 17 2011,02:47)David…………You are using your JW Bible translation to support you false teachings of the Kingdom of God only being a Physical Kingdom becasue it makes you people feel you are special , unique, and separates you from the rest of the world so by that you people think you are the “ONLY TRUE CHOSEN ONES”…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2011,21:05)Quote (david @ Sep. 16 2011,17:09)Quote Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: (1 Cor 2:6)(1)You seem to be making a point about the fact that they are called “princes” I guess.  If I remember my greek, “prince”…[Read more]

Quote You criticize others for not providing Scriptural backing,would you not be a hypocrite if you did not read them when provided? No, I'd be a hypocrite if I did the same. It would however be odd if I didn't. It's also odd that you state this as though it's true, but you don't connect this thought to anything. Quote A) I'm still waiting for…[Read more]

“ED, IF THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE RULERS OF THIS SYSTEM OF THINGS ARE TO COME TO NOTHING, WHY BE ONE OF THEM?….Ed, would you want to be one of those rulers?”Your answer: “No.”Ed, do you think it's wrong for a Christian to take that same stand?_ JW's don't want to be any part of the world under Satan's control. Jesus said his followers would be…[Read more]

Quote Hi David,Going to war or not going to war is NOT what I wish to discuss. (We are already in agreement on this point)I realize that, but often, we we look at history, the historians mention both together. And really, they mention the not going to war thing quite a bit more than not engaging in politics. But, usually when they do mention…[Read more]

Quote Yes Mike it is not about JWs.I was replying to one though, so I was giving him some reasons why the Kingdom of God is within us, using scriptures that david doesn't think is applicable to believers, First,you didn't use “scriptures,” you used one scripture:”I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born…[Read more]

“”I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”So the kingdom can only be seen or experienced once a new spirit is placed in us. Hence it would be right to say that the Kingdom is in us because that new spirit is in us and that is how we see the kingdom..”–T8I guess it would be “right to say that” if by “right”…[Read more]

T8, holy fallacies BATMAN!I MEAN, REALLY? REALLY?I am astounded at what you just did there T8! I thought we could have a discussion about a certain topic. Well, what could I expect. You are a Nzer. So, everything you say is wrong, right? Plus, you were funny clothes, so you are wrong. I don't even need to discuss the actual topic at hand,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2011,12:43)Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 15 2011,19:01)the government is in our hearts ,because that is were God says he will put it ,according to scriptures,What scripture says this, Pierre?So I'm not the only one wondering this.Pierre, please provide the scripture for us.

Quote the government is in our hearts ,because that is were God says he will put it ,according to scriptures,–Pierre.Which scripture pierre? Did you quote any scriptures there? Why can't we all just start quoting from scripture?

Quote 10 A) Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: (1 Cor 2:6)You seem to be making a point about the fact that they are called “princes” I guess. If I remember my greek, “prince” means the same as “leader” or “ruler.” I just checked. That is…[Read more]

Quote 7) Who says those you cite were early Christians?Ed, I never said that those I was quoting from were “early Christians.” I was providing you some quotes about the fact that the earliest Christians did not engage in politics. (Jesus included. He ran away when they tried to make him king, right?)If Constantine is your only evidence against…[Read more]

Quote “and they go forth to the KINGS of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.” (Rev)(13)ED, WOULD YOU WANT TO BE ONE OF THOSE KINGS WHO WILL BE AT WAR WITH GOD?Ed, you did not really answer my question at all. You said:”See Isaiah 27:4-5 and Isaiah 54:17 for my position in this…[Read more]

“(11)ED, IF THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE RULERS OF THIS SYSTEM OF THINGS ARE TO COME TO NOTHING, WHY BE ONE OF THEM?””11) Good question.”–Ed.Ed, would you want to be one of those rulers? Further, would any Christian? What do you think jesus meant by himself and his followers being “no part of the world?Quote Taking a stand for God is not joining…[Read more]

ON second thought, regarding B, I think they came to appreciate that subjection to the governments is RELATIVE. They knew they were supposed to obey the law and that governments were allowed to rule because God allowed them. Although the following doesn't show the change of thought, it does highlight the scriptures involved:What Makes a Good…[Read more]

Quote A) Was not Constantine a Cristian convert; did he not engage in politics?B) Can you list the Scriptures that led to this belief?C) Are you inferring that the apostasy was to engage in politics?D) My point lettered “A” questions this.First, I would make a distinction :If a politician becomes a Christian and then gives up politics, it's…[Read more]

Gene, I must go now. I only have time to address the first 6 points:Quote 1) I don't care what either A. K. Heckel or J. G. Sigman said.2) Nor does it matter what Augustus Neander had to say.3) Edward Gibbon words make no difference either.4) Do you think that finding others to agree with your position, like R. Johnson, somehow adds to your…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 15 2011,19:22)Hi David.Do JWs believe in a one thousand year millenium?Thank you for your time.Sure.