@t8

You said to LU: “Yes that sums up your doctrine. But you seem to be the only one who believes all this.”

It seems that God the Father Himself believes that His Son is God and Yahweh.
(Hebrews 1:10-12; Psalm 102:24-27)

I just want to remind you that you still haven’t answered LU’s question/post.

@Proclaimer

This has been asked of you since…[Read more]

@t8

LU wrote to you: “PC, who is the Father identifying as the YHVH who founded the earth and the heavens are the work of His hands?”

(Hebrews 1:10-12; Psalm 102:24-27)

Can you please address her question?

Thanks a lot.

@t8

Could you please address LU’s post?
I’d like to hear your opinion.

@Proclaimer

Are you neglecting to address this post on purpose? I will repeat it here:

PC,

You are correct, Abraham is not talking to the Father. He is talking to YHVH however. Therefore, the person who Abraham is addressing as YHVH, is not the Father but someone other…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Ok, thank you for your responses.
You made some very good points.
I will think about it.
Blessings.

God bless you all!

@Lightenup

If Christ had always existed alongside the Father, then
that would make them brothers or twins.
Not a real Father and Son.

I believe that Jesus was actually begotten by God in eternity past.
Jesus is truly the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16

And Jesus said that His Father is the only true God.
“And this is eternal life, that they…[Read more]

@Lightenup

You said: I do believe that it can be said that the Father is a father to the Most High Son.

“the Most High Son“??
Sorry, I don’t find this phrase in my Bible.

Jesus is not the Most High Son. He is the Son of the Most High. Luke 1:32

Now to your question:
Jesus was begotten by his Father before all worlds.
At that point He was…[Read more]

@t8

Thanks for your responses. It helped me a lot.
Sorry for being rude to you sometimes.

@Lightenup

Jesus is not the Most High. He is the Son of the Most High.

Let’s read it again. Luke 1:32 says “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High.”

@Lightenup

Luke 1:32 says “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High.”
Who is the Most High, and who is His Son?

@Lightenup

So, if I understand you correctly, the one that is identified as Yahweh, who appeared to Abraham on earth, standing next to him, talking to him face to face in Genesis 18 is the Father of Jesus in your opinion. Correct?

No. I believe this was Jesus.
Jesus bears the name of His Father.
But Jesus is not Yahweh. He is the Son of…[Read more]

Hi Lightenup,

I thought I made myself clear.
Yahweh is the Father of Jesus Christ. (Psalm 2; Acts 4)
I presume you are confusing the identities?
Luke 1:32 says “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High.”
Who is the Most High, and who is His Son?

I’m glad we agree on this.

@Lightenup

Do you agree that the Son is identified as God, and YHVH in Hebrews 1:8-12 by his Father

I agree in part.
As you said “As with any scripture, the context will be very important to consider.”
Jesus bears the NAME of His Father Yahweh God.
Jesus is Yahweh God by nature, not identity.
Yahweh is the Father of Jesus (Psalm 2; Acts 4), hence…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Ok, first we need to establish the identity of Yahweh.
Who is Yahweh?

Psalm 2:2
The kings of the earth take a stand, and the rulers take counsel together, against Yahweh, and against his Anointed

This Psalm is quoted by the first Christians in Acts 4.

24 When they heard it, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord and said,…[Read more]

@t8

One God the Father. He is the one true God.

Finally, something we agree on.
But Jesus can be called God because He inherited His Father’s name and divine nature in the same way a human son inherits the human nature and name of his parents.
So it is perfectly fine to call Jesus God just as Thomas did.

@berean

AMEN!

@Lightenup

Can an eternal existence (both past and future) be inherited?

No.
Let me explain my beliefs.
I don’t believe that Jesus is a co-eternal Person alongside the Father.
But im not a JW. Jesus was not created.
I believe that Jesus was literally ‘born’ of God as a literal Son in eternity past.
So in his very nature He is equal to His…[Read more]

@t8

But now you say YHWH is not one person, but 2 persons.

I did not say that. Did you read the post?
This is again your typical “attack the strawman” game.
We were talking about the NAME of Yahweh.

Here read it again:
Do you believe that the name YHVH also can apply to the Son of God?

Jesus bears the NAME of His Father Yahweh God.

Jesus is…[Read more]