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Quote (Cindy @ Sep. 01 2009,03:46)Quote (CatholicApologist @ Aug. 31 2009,17:46)Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 31 2009,16:35)The woman in Rev. 12 is the Church and not Mary.  It sure looks like that the Holy Spirit reveals things to the person, who was Baptized according to Scripture, and not sprinkled like in the Catholic Church.  IreneFor the first time I…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 01 2009,09:50)Quote (CatholicApologist @ Aug. 31 2009,20:12)Not Islam.  I'll tell you that much.Didn't he teach Islam in the garden of gethsemaneHe submitted(Muslim) to God in Peace(Islam)CA,Please, Please and again Please Debate me One on One Regarding Catholocism and it being the ultimate HERESY.GOD raised ISLAM up to…[Read more]

OK, don't send out your emissaries against me and my family for asking this. But I received an email from my cousin. How much of this is true? Here's the email I received:Joys of Muslim Womenby Nonie DarwishIn the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 28 2009,18:05)I would very much like to discuss “war.”  I've started a thread about whether Christians should go to war.  It was very interesting.Of course, no one here, not even the Pope who has apologized many times would disagree that Catholics have a bloody history.But, what should this tell us about them?Let's begin by l…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 31 2009,10:26)New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, Vol. XI, p. 1034) acknowledges: “In the final analysis, the Catholic doctrine on purgatory is based on tradition, not Sacred Scripture.”“The church has relied on tradition to support a middle ground between heaven and hell.”—U.S. Catholic, March 1981, p. 7.“What goes on in purgator…[Read more]

You guys sound a bit nutty.So what, you have a picture of the Vatican state negotiating with Nazi Germany. That doesn't mean they approved. History bears that out strongly.And if a priest did bless the Nazi troops, this isn't proof that the church is false. Only that a priest or bishop acted scandalously.I think it was St. Athanasius who said,…[Read more]

Not Islam. I'll tell you that much.

Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 31 2009,19:09)Quote (CatholicApologist @ Aug. 31 2009,17:56)Quote (david @ Aug. 31 2009,09:17)Quote Jesus called 12 Apostles, one hung himself that left 11; later Jesus called Paul, an Apostle, that made it 12 again, period, there are no other apostles. The 12 apostles, which included Matthias would disagree with you.  Even…[Read more]

connected and bound together by the cement of who bond with one another. This is Eucharistic and episcopal ecclesiology par excellence. Yet, Cyprian is even more explicit in his famous Treatise on the unity of the catholic Church. The source of unity of the catholic Church, he writes, is Peter, that is the episcopate: There is easy proof for…[Read more]

Consider how great power the rock has upon which the Church is built by Christ, and how great power every one has who says, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God”… But when those who maintain the function of the episcopate make use of this word as Peter, and, having received the keys of the kingdom of heaven from the Savior, teach that…[Read more]

because Christ is her invisible head is theological nonsense. If applied consistently, it should also eliminate the necessity for the visible head of each local Church, i.e. the bishop.a Of course, saying that the bishop is in some sense the “head” of the (local) catholic Church (now called diocese) or that the Patriarch of Moscow is the “he…[Read more]

he remembered everyone with whom he had ever been acquainted . . . and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world… These quotes, often poorly translated, are clear enough to establish that ‘Catholic’ could not possibly mean ‘universal’ or ‘worldwide.’ If it was the case, ‘Catholic’ would mean “which is in every place” and this leads to the con…[Read more]

Summary The need to have an established presiding presbyter at the head of the Eucharistic assembly is obvious for practical reasons. It seems equally evident that the early Christians, following the apostolic pattern for Jerusalem, did not opt for a ‘rotational’ type of Eucharistic presidency. Just as Peter, an apostle, had status of protos and…[Read more]

Eucharistic president of the community, i.e. the bishop. Regardless of what title was given to this role or office, it was of apostolic and divine origin. In this context, divine means that if Christ chose Peter to be protos (arche is not used) among the Apostles, the identification of the bishop with Peter would be based on a divine order, not on…[Read more]

This may be called the accepted view… The essential point is whether the Apostles by a distinct act of consecration instituted a distinct class of ecclesiastical officers whom they intended to step into their own places and wield their own authority.a Briggs then contrasts this view with that of St. Jerome (we have already quoted from his…[Read more]

resulting question is “who will offer the sacrifices on behalf of the people?” Who will stand up in the middle of the assembly to preside over the Eucharistic liturgy and utter the sacred words of institution? Even in the Jewish mindset, there must be ‘an order’ by which some say the “Amen” and the “Alleluia” while others “serve at the altar.” In…[Read more]

to see universality or internationalism as an ontological fact from the start. The result of this second view is that the Church (Catholic or universal) is first and foremost a “world Church,” not the local Church. In other words, the reality of the Church is the big picture, the worldwide organism which is being made manifest as more local Chu…[Read more]

If we used the illustration of holographic objects, the catholic Church (the local Eucharistic assembly) is a complete whole which stands on its own. It contains the basic ‘pattern’ or ‘code’ and it is capable of manifesting the “whole picture.” Moreover, if we look at several Churches, we do not have parts or portions coming together like a jigs…[Read more]

The Orthodox can only agree with this presentation, although care is required to properly understand what is meant by “those summoned out of the world at large to form a distinct society.” From an Orthodox perspective, the problem arises when Steve Ray concludes: So the Catholic Church is made up of those called out and gathered into the uni…[Read more]