Haydock's Commentary:Ver. 13. No man hath ascended—but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man, who is in heaven. These words, divers times repeated by our Saviour, in their literal and obvious sense, shew that Christ was in heaven, and had a being before he was born of the Virgin Mary, against the Cerinthians, &c. That he descended from…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 05 2009,09:54)Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 01 2009,17:48)So is Jesus Christ responsible for the death of millions?  According to your logic, he must be since these people claimed to be His followers.  But again, that is ridiculous…just like your logic.Hi CA:Just because someone professes to be a follower of Jesus Christ d…[Read more]

Quote Wrong! The New covenant was not instituted UNTIL Christ completed His atoning work. The work of atonement was in two parts:1. The sacrificial death and,2. The sprinkling of the blood on the altar.I do want to agree to disagree about this in this thread. But I wanted to point out for clarification that Jesus sprinkled the blood on the…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 04 2009,18:13)Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,08:24)Nick said:Quote Hi CA,In Christ there are no protestant or catholic denominations.Christ is not divided.What is a Protestant? Many think that one is either a Catholic or a Protestant. But this is not the case for one may be a non-Catholic and still not be a Protestant.…[Read more]

Quote while preaching Love and Peace they practice war and hate, As can be seen by CA's commits. IMOGene,Maybe you haven't been around very many MANLY men. You don't know the difference between FIGHTING against the lies of hell… and HATE. I don't hate you with any part of my being. What I HATE is Satan and his lies…may he be damned forever…[Read more]

Quote HMMM!I find this one…”To worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong … ” (WT, 3-1880, 83).And this one…”There could be nothing against our consciences in going into the army” (WT, 4-15-1903, 120).Interesting, since David has been so adament against them!WJ Yes it IS interesting.You may all disagree with our doctrines. BUT you CANNOT…[Read more]

Quote In defence of the Catholic Church at that time, they took in many Jewish people and hid them away. Some survived and others along with the Priest were caught and died in the Gas chamber. Irene,I think I gained a little more respect for you for being honest.Yes, you did go on to say that in some distant past the CC was bloody or whatever.…[Read more]

You're still a relatively new cult and in your short lifespan you have changed your beliefs OVER and OVER and OVER. Here it is for all to see:Among other things, the WTS predicted the following:1889 “The ‘battle of the great day of God almighty’ (Rev 16:14) which will end in AD 1914 . . . ” (Studies, Vol. 2, 1908 edition, 101).1891 “With the end…[Read more]

Sorry, I was typing fast.I said that I don't “wish” hell on you or anybody

Quote (david @ Sep. 04 2009,17:06)Quote Great.  So you agree with me.  It wasn't the Catholic church who killed these people.  It was people who in many cases claimed to be Catholics.–CA“IN THIS decisive hour we admonish our Catholic soldiers to do their duty in obedience to the Fuehrer .”—The Catholic bishops of Germany, as quoted in The New…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 04 2009,11:17)Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 04 2009,10:50)Christ conferred upon his apostles the original task of shepherding the earthly Church in his absence. As the Church grew, the apostles themselves appointed different kinds of ministers to assist them.Among the apostles there were two groups. The first consisted…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 04 2009,11:41)Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 04 2009,10:04)This is an easy error to refute.  The New Covenant was instituted at the first Eucharist  (e.g. “this is the new covenant in my blood” – Paul refers to this as still binding in 1 Cor 11) and culminated in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord.  Jesus en…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 04 2009,12:19)Hi CA:One more question on this topic.  Do you not go to the bible when someone asks you about a doctrine that the church teaches in order to explain and justify what the Catholic church believes to be the truth?Love in Christ,MartyAnother great question. Not exclusively, no. The reason is that the proper…[Read more]

Christ conferred upon his apostles the original task of shepherding the earthly Church in his absence. As the Church grew, the apostles themselves appointed different kinds of ministers to assist them.Among the apostles there were two groups. The first consisted of the Twelve, who witnessed the whole of Christ's earthly ministry from his baptism…[Read more]

Quote You use the word “Succession”, well I do not see that principle in the scriptures. If what you are saying is true, thatPeter was the first “Pope” and then right down to the current day, we have his successors in the RCC, then where does the Apostle Paul fit?He is 2/3 of your NT Bible is he not? He says he comes behind no Apostle, did he…[Read more]

Ignoring Nick and moving on… How about this early church father?Theophilus of Antioch”It is the attribute of God, of the most high and almighty and of the living God, not only to be everywhere, but also to see and hear all; for he can in no way be contained in a place. . . . The three days before the luminaries were created are types of the…[Read more]

This is an easy error to refute. The New Covenant was instituted at the first Eucharist (e.g. “this is the new covenant in my blood” – Paul refers to this as still binding in 1 Cor 11) and culminated in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord. Jesus ended the old covenant by his death (“it is finished”) and instituted the new by His…[Read more]

What did the early church think?Ignatius of Antioch (successor and friend to the apostles)”o the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God” (Letter to the Ephesians 1 ).”For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is t…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ Sep. 03 2009,16:33)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 14 2009,09:13)Hi RM:I fail to understand why there has to be such a thing as the “trinity doctrine” when there are unambiguous scriptures that tell us that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God(Matt. 16:13-17), and that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit (1 Co. 2:10).This(the trinity) is…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 14 2009,05:30)I get frustrated because all I see from Anti-Trinitarians is that they believe we think there are three Gods.Every post we make about trinitarianism, it gets refuted with the SAME scriptures where God says HE IS ONE, and there is no God before him.Or we see posts where it shows ONLY GOD made the heavens and the…[Read more]