Hi LU,

YOU: Carmel,

You said: ALL THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO JESUS’ PREXISTENCE AS A SPIRIT!

It is a reference to the only begotten Son of God who was in the same form as his Father before creation.

ME: That means LU that

Jesus was never BEGOTTEN BEFORE HE CREATED ANYTHING, as He pre-existed eternally as A SPIRIT IN THE ONENESS OF G…[Read more]

Berean,

Read these scriptures now:

1 John5:20And we know that the Son of God
is come:
and he hath given us understanding that

we may know the TRUE God, and

may be in his TRUE Son.

This is the TRUE God and life eternal.

Satan never believed that God, SPIRIT, embodied in “THE WORD” made flesh, Jesus, would manifest Himself on earth,…[Read more]

Berean,

Read hereunder:

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me by my Father; and

no one knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and
to whom the Son will reveal him.
The Father was never in the position to reveal Himself as a spirit, and only physically in

Jesus Christ

John17:10 And all my things are…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU: The FATHER IS THE ONE ETERNAL TRUE GOD

With the above declaration, you are rejecting

the eternal oneness of the Father and the Son.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Hi, Gene,

YOU:Yes you do have a good point Carmel, there is hope for all I believe.

That’s the only way I can see a

true loving God!

It was His plan that the imperfect would be established, first in Lucifer, spirit, then in Adam living souls. One hope was left

for the kingdom of the Son,

through the corrupted flesh general system.

THE…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU: But I’m not sure I understood That You wrote :

I cannot see how God didn’t also predestine total salvation.

If God who is love predestined Lucifer’s fall by which fall it was established,  imperfect creatures, didn’t also He since He is love predestine that all eventually would return back to perfection, in fact even in a high…[Read more]

Hi Berean and All

HAS GOD PREDESTINED CERTAIN PEOPLE TO BE SAVED AND OTHERS TO BE LOST?
Bible Study / Daily Devotional

God predestined Lucifer’s fall, by which fall even Adam, Lucifer’s origin fell.

I cannot see How God didn’t also predestine total salvation.

Peace and Love in Jesus Christ

Hi LU,

YOU: Thank you for rewriting your post. That was much easier to follow.

I see those references in Hebrews, Psalms 2, Acts 13, to the “begetting” as taking place from the dead. Hence, He is called “Firstborn from the dead.” Jesus, however is certainly identified as God’s Son already many times before he was begotten from the dead.[Read more]

HI LU,

ME: I am going back to your belief when you said:

YOU: He begat His Son before He created anything.

ME:  Where in the bible one can read the above?

Now hereunder you produced a scripture which according to you is evidence that the Father begat his son before He created anything.

Col 1

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the…[Read more]

Hi LU,

YOU:Carmel,

They are one WHAT?

ONE GOD! NO?

John 17:22 I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— 23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united,

They are one, i.e. perfectly united.

BY WHAT PROCESS???

ONLY GOD IS PERFECT, AND ONLY JESUS CHRIST UNITES THE ENTIRE CREATION  ALL PERFE…[Read more]

Carmel,

Also, is the church “God” because the head of the church is “God?”

Which scripture declares that

“the head of the church is God”

1 Cor 11:3

But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

Acts 20:28

Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flo…[Read more]

Hi LU,

YOU: They are one WHAT?

ONE GOD! NO?

THE FATHER IS DEFINITELY GOD ONLY OF ALL SPIRITS! But

THE SON IS DEFINITELY THE GOD AND  FATHER BOTH OF

ALL SPIRITS AND OF ALL FLESH!

Well asserted in

John20:17 ……But go to my brethren, and say to them:

I ascend to (THE GLORY OF) my Father (SPIRIT) and to your Father,(FLESH) to my God (HEAVEN…[Read more]

Hi LU,

YOU:He is the Firstborn of the One he calls his father, not of every creature.

KJV. Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God,

the firstborn of every creature: 

16For by him were all things created,

that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or pr…[Read more]

Hi LU,

YOU: Carmel:

Carmel: Personally I don’t separate God’s work and put the Father as a superior figure!
1 Cor 11:3

But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

LU, You produce a scripture that doesn’t confirm that

the Father is superior to the Son,…[Read more]

Hi Lu,

  Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation:

Carmel: So for you the above asserts that God begat His Son before creation, Even if it doesn’t clearly says so!

4416 prōtótokos (from 4413 /prṓtos, “first, pre-eminent” and 5088 /tíktō, “bring forth”)

Firstborn, first begotten, same thing. Therefore, Col 1…[Read more]

Hi LU,

YOU: So you don’t think that it was the Father that established the plan for the Son to become the Messiah, the sacrificial lamb?

ME: I won’t say the Father, but GOD’ s plan!

John10:22 All things are delivered to me by my Father; and no one knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and

to whom the S…[Read more]

Hi Lu,

YOU: Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation:

Me So for you the above asserts that God begat His Son before creation, Even if it doesn’t  clerly says so!

Now when we read John1:1 it doesn’t say that

in the beginning was BEGOTTEN  the Son, but

in the beginning was “THE WORD”

Which  is totally di…[Read more]

Hi Lu,

YOU: Hi Carmel,

You said: Once God pronounced His word, the Son left the Father, your term begat, and established Himself engrafted in the heart of the endless spirits emanated from God!

Where do you find that the Son “established Himself?”

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ,

who through the eternal Spirit off…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

Just as a small example, you said that which is here quoted, and you use a lot of terms that I don’t see in the scripture:

FIRST AND FOREMOST GOD, BEFORE HE CREATED ANYTHING, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IN ORDER TO COMMUNICATE, ESTABLISHED HIS SON, HIS GENUINE ETERNAL ABODE, PRECISELY AS

“THE WORD”

Most of that doesn’t make any sense to me…[Read more]

Hi Lighteneup,

YOU: Hi Carmel,

You said:

ME: YOU DIDN’T QUITE UNDERSTOOD WHAT I POSTED, I SAID:
I don’t mean to pick on you but I was reading your latest response to me and maybe part of the problem of me not understanding you, is partly how you misappropriate English word tenses. For instance, that word “understood”  in your sentence that I q…[Read more]