Hi Mike,

You: No they don’t.  Both verses contain a book of life

Me: Read: NET. 17:8 The beast you saw was, and is not, but is about to come up from the abyss and then go to destruction. 

The inhabitants of the earth – all those whose names have not been written in the book of life since the foundation of the world–
will be astounded when the…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: You are using a very nonsensical mistranslation of the verse.  I’ll let the 25 translators of the NET Bible explain it to you…

Revelation 13:8 NET ©
and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was…[Read more]

John1:1 Gene:  The language of the text in Gen 1:1&2,  does lend itsef to a past existence,  Mike.

You: Not even a chance, Gene.  Read…

Mark 10:6… But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female.

You: Will you now argue that by “the beginning of creation”, Jesus really meant, “14 billion years after the beginning of creation”?<…[Read more]

John1:1Gene:  The language of the text in Gen 1:1&2,  does lend itsef to a past existence,  Mike.

You: Not even a chance, Gene.  Read…

Mark 10:6… But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female.

You: Will you now argue that by “the beginning of creation”, Jesus really meant, “14 billion years after the beginning of creation”?…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

You; Jesus never acted in the capacity of a Creator God at all never did he ever mention a prexisting life he had, 

he only mentioned a preordained  Glory,  and other aspects of his life, which related to the prophecies regarding him,   that is all I have ever got from our text.

Gene, PRODUCE CLEAR SCRIPTURES PLEASE!

NOT YOUR OWN…[Read more]

Hi Gadam,

You:I ask here why they had written so many contrary things on this first century Jew and made him another god, co-person with God, co-creator, Savior of mankind, non-human Messiah without any basis so on and so forth.

Me, what GOD’S OWN WORD in this scripture hereunder tells you?

Genesis 2:18 And the Lord God said: It is not good for…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Carmel: So THERE’S A CLEAR  POSSIBILITY  that the earth that was ORIGINALLY created by God as being destroyed by God’s PREDETERMINED PLAN of a rebellion that preceded THIS KIND OF man’s existence upon THIS KIND OF planet.

You: There is nothing in the scriptures to indicate any such thing. 

And heaven wasn’t created until day 2…[Read more]

Mike,

You: I will, however, leave you with this advice:  If you truly want to make a case that you said A, and I accused you of saying B instead, then do it ONE QUOTE AT A TIME.  For example…

Here is my exact quote…………………………

Here is what you said I said………………………….

And then just leave it at that until I have time to respond.  Because there’s no…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: This whole mind-numbing experience started when you claimed that the heaven and earth of Gen 1:3 and beyond
were not the ORIGINAL heaven and earth. 
Me: Just read your deviation in the above:

I NEVER SAID THAT PLAIN CONFUSION!

GOD ETERNAL, INITIATED ONCE HIS CREATION AND IT CONTINUES FOREVER NO MATTER WHAT!
FROM HIS SIDE POINT…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: So whether I’m misunderstanding you or you’re trying to slip out of things you actually said, there is really no point going forward with you.  

Me: Well what do you expect, especially when you finally hereunder confirmed that you are reading entirely ALL my posts after all, which is the opposite of what you’ve been claim…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: It seems to me that you’re always trying to slip your way out of things you claimed after I expose them scripturally.

First and foremost Mike, it’s no use saying the above unless you back it up, and  PRODUCE the original posts and justify yourself.

On the other hand, READ WHAT I POSTED AND MADE CLEAR ABOUT IN MY LAST PO…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: Carmel:  SIMPLY BECAUSE BOTH SCRIPTURES ARE ANALOGOUS, AND RELATED IN A WAY TO EACH OTHER!

You: I agree that both verses use two of the same words. 

 Because of that, you think that the world will once again be in the state described in Gen 1:2 

ME: WHERE AND WHEN DID I EVER SAY THAT?

You: and you extrapolate from that your…[Read more]

Cont.

Hi Mike,

Carmel: 2Peter3:5  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God

the heavens were of OLD, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 

What the above scripture tells you clearly, regarding THE HEAVEN/S and THE EARTH

You: That heaven and earth were created a long time ago, and the earth as we n…[Read more]

Hi, Mike,

Cont.

<span style=”color: #0000ff;”>You: Also, try this much better translation of the Greek words…</span>

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>2 Peter 3:5… But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word</span>

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>the HEAVENS came into being and the earth was FORMED from water and by water.…[Read more]

Hi Mike,   …..

Mike, THE PROPHET/GOD CHOSE DEFINITELY THE SAME TERMS USED IN GENESIS 1:2 ATTENTION PLEASE:

IN ORDER TO MAKE THINGS CLEAR,

WHAT DID OCCUR IN GENESIS 1:2  IS GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL.

<span style=”color: #0000ff;”>You: I see.  So then when God made a PROMISE to Noah that He would never again destroy the ear…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: Carmel, the two scriptures are not “opposite” – just completely unrelated. 

ME: WRONG Mike, THEY ARE!

Like I said, if your theory is correct, then Jeremiah lived on the “perfect earth”, prophesied about the subsequent creation of the “very good but not perfect” earth,

ME: NO I’M AFRAID! THAT’S YOUR MISUNDERSTANDI…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: Of course not, Carmel. 

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters.

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and lo it was void, and nothing: and the heavens, and there was no light in them.

Me: So according to you the above scriptures are…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: No, it is God talking about punishing Judah for abandoning Him…

Me:  AGREE: Jer. 4:23 is clearly in allusion to Genesis. The prophet writes in view of the land of Israel and the judgments impending.

The prophet looks onward to the utter desolation with which God would visit the land of Israel,

the terms being pointedly chosen de…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: If you show me a scripture that clearly and undeniably teaches us about a previous “perfect earth”, I’m willing to learn about it. 

Mike, I ALREADY POSTED THIS SCRIPTURE BUT THOUGH YOU READ IT, FOR YOUR OWN INTEREST, YOU  NEVER SAID ANYTHING,

OBVIOUS, BECAUSE IT SIMPLY SAYS THE TRUTH!

Read this scripture HEREUNDER again please…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: In the meantime, listen to your Lord Jesus…

Proverbs 8:22

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25Before the mount…[Read more]