Hi Gene,

Just to make you aware of what I said to Berean regarding the word “WAS” back in page 87, read hereunder, please.

Berean: According to the King James Bible
which is the best bible,
the earth was “shapeless” (tohu) and empty, desert (bohu)
formless from what I understand would most certainly mean flat, I mean formless, ie “without hill”…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

WELL SPECIFICALLY SAID!

Somehow you just anticipated me!

NEVERTHELESS

MIKE,  APART FROM BEING A STUBBORN PERSON HE IS DEFINITELY NOT ONLY BLIND, BUT HE PUTS GOD IN THE SAME BASKET AS MORTAL HUMANS.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Hi Mike,

You: Funny you should bring this up, since I just addressed it to Proclaimer in our private thread a couple of hours ago…

You: We do it the same way today.  You can say “back in the day of my grandmother”, in which case the singular “day” is not a literal day, but a general time period.  But you could also say, “back in the days of m…[Read more]

<span style=”color: #0000ff;”>Hi Mike,</span>

<span style=”color: #0000ff;”>You: Funny you should bring this up, since I just addressed it to Proclaimer in our private thread a couple of hours ago…</span>

<span style=”color: #0000ff;”>You: We do it the same way today.  You can say “back in the day of my grandmother”, in which case the singul…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

YOU: I like that terminology.  Gen 2:4 is an introduction to the process which follows…

just like Gen 1:1 is an introduction to the process which follows. 

NOT QUITE I’M AFRAID!

And they are both linked with “the most vital conjunction AND” ! 

SINCE IT IS A CONJUNCTION, IT IS THE MOST COMMON, BUT FOR SURE

NEITHER IS THE MOST VITAL…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

ME: ANSWER MIKE PLEASE:

In the above description when a human being is CREATED, FORMED, MADE, AND ESTABLISHED,

is it all the same exact thing for you?

YOU: YES OR NO PLEASE!
YES.  And not just for me, but for all rational people.

ME: Mr. RATIONAL!

LET’S SEE HOW RATIONAL YOU ARE:

PRODUCE THE APPROPRIATE RATIONAL ANSWER FOR T…[Read more]

Hi Brean,

You: NOW THE WORD “HEAVENS”

8064

Shamayim

dual of an unused singular shameh {shaw-meh’}; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):–air, X astrologer, heaven(…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: What if we compare it to, say, Genesis 2:4-5?

4These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven. 5And no plant of the field was yet in the earth…

Do you see “the most vital conjunction AND” there?  Yep, it’s there in the Hebrew too.

So does vs 4 sp…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: Carmel, there is no distinction between “created” and “made” in the Genesis account. 

It’s just one of the many WEAK ploys you use in your attempt to force the scriptures into teaching what you want them to teach instead of just letting them teach you.

Go ahead Mike, teach Frank 

Feburary 2009
Frank W. Nelte
THE DIFFERENCES…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: Isaiah 45:18… For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Just look at all those words Yahweh used to emphasize the same exact thing.  

Me: I’ll make it cle…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: Carmel, is it even remotely possible that this is the true meaning of Gen 1:1-2:3?  Yes or No?

ME; DEFINITELY NOT MY BROTHER IN CHRIST MIKE!

FOR THE SIMPLE RESON THT AFTER GENESIS 1:1

THERE IS THE MOST VITAL CONJUNCTION
AND…..
Hereunder is an article which you can read, precisely on the same argument you just posted, I am only…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

You: According to Genesis 1 yes, according to Genesis 2:4 yes and no

Me: THANK YOU VERY MUCH Berean!

Now read according to this version:

DRB. Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth.

But let’s take your version:

Genesis2:4…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Sorry AGAIN,

YOU HAVE NO SCRIPTURE TO PROVE THAT GENESIS 1:2 IS THE FIRST STAGE OF THE CREATION OF OUR HEAVEN AND EARTH!

IT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING WHICH IS CONFUSING!

ALSO, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SOMEHOW YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I ASKED YOU NEVER MIND WHAT SCRIPTURE CLEARLY SAYS!

I SAID:
And what about Genesis 1:1? 
If Genesis 1…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

You: Sorry Carmel you have NO SCRIPTURE TO PROVE GENESIS 1:2 WAS A FLOOD.

GENESIS 1:2 IS THE FIRST STAGE OF THE CREATION OF OUR HEAVEN AND  EARTH.

Me: Sorry Berean, YOU HAVE NO SCRIPTURE TO PROVE THAT GENESIS 1:2 IS THE FIRST STAGE OF THE CREATION OF OUR HEAVEN AND EARTH!

And what about Genesis 1:1? 

If Genesis 1:1 is not the act o…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

You: IS THERE ANYTHING THAT GOD CREATED PERFECT IN THE OT SCRIPTURE?

You: Of course God made a PERFECT creation,

IT IS THE ONE WE LIVE ON AND WHICH IS DESCRIBED IN GENESIS 1 and 2.

ME: AGAIN THAT’S YOUR OPINION WHICH IS NOT ACCEPTED WHEN YOU ADDRESS SCRIPTURE!

SO SCRIPTURE PLEASE!

I WANT TO READ THAT THE WORLD OF THE OT WAS…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU: Hi Carmel
I simply want to tell you that

YOU ARE MAKING A BAD APPLICATION OF ECCLESIASTES.

Berean we are discussing scripture, 

ONLY SCRIPTURE CHANGES WHAT I POST AND SAY, NOT YOU PERSONALLY OR OTHERS, YOUR OPINION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRUTH!

CONTRADICT ME WITH SCRIPTURE PLEASE, THE WAY I DID!

I ONLY GAVE A YOU…[Read more]

Hi Berean, and MIKE:

Me:

I will give you specifically my answers and questions ONE BY ONE IN REPET OF YOUR POSTS!

The first one:

You: IF THERE HAD BEEN A PRECEDENT ON OUR EARTH, GOD WOULD HAVE INDICATED IT TO US…
IN A VERY CLEAR WAY.
Scripture:
All things are hard: man cannot explain them by word.
The eye is not filled with seeing, neither i…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Carmel:  SO I repeat: THEY ARE NOT TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SAME CONCEPT!
They are talking about the same book of life that was written since the world began.

Revelation 13:8

English Standard Version… and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the b…[Read more]

Hi Beran,

YOU: Carmel, Gene,

You have no reason to doubt the FACT” that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days as we know them (i.e. 24-hour days). (Exodus 20:11 and 31:17)

The hypothesis That   The earth would have already had an existence (a beginning and an end) which would have gone wrong and therefore God sees himself obliged to…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Here it comes the NOVEL

DO WHAT YOU LIKE!

MY INTEREST IS THE TRUTH!

You: Another famous example is Luke 23:43…

KJV… And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

This is another nonsense translation,

ME: AGAIN MIKE IT IS NOT I’M AFRAID. YOU ARE READING OTHERS’ NONSENSE!

since Jesus wa…[Read more]