Kerwin and Camillia…..Do me a favor, go back and reread CAREFULLY Eze 36:27, please notice what God said that, “he” would “CAUSE” us to walk in his statues, and keep his judgements. Now where does our so-called “free” will choices, CAUSED by us fit in ,if it is God “CAUSING” IT ALL TO HAPPEN?,

Again lets be clear i am not saying we do not have li…

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Camillia,

Thank you accept is was supposed to say “at each and every turn” instead of “in each and every turn “.  My error

 

Means the same thing kind of, Kerwin 🙂

Hi Wakeup.

You said:

I am not born of the spirit because I am still flesh.

 

Well, this was my reading for tonight (1 Peter):

(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

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Hi Wakeup.

 

He said; If you are born of the spirit ;you ARE SPIRIT.

No, that is not what Jesus meant. That which is born of the flesh is flesh (sin) and that which is born of the spirit is spirit (righteousness), all when alive in this present body, imo.

I am not born of the spirit because I am still flesh.
But I have received the renewing of…

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Are you saying that I am not born again? That I am speaking my own words?

Hi Wakeup. You said elsewhere that we are born again AFTER death and not before. Hence, why I echoed what Nick said. Now, you question why I claim you are not (yet) born again. You said it, not me. So are you born again?

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Yes, Wakeup. You must be born again, (of water and spirit). (:

The fact that God can both predict the future and knows in advance the future that will be does not mean their is no free choice as God is not doing anything to control his creations.  He does manipulate events and people by using his knowledge to obtain the results he desires but in doing so he does not control the person but instead uses his…

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Carmilla……You quoted a good scripture that says we are to make ourselves a new spirit and change our hearts, right?,but who has done that? Can a Lepord changes it’s spots, can an Etheopin his skin, no they can’t, neither can we change by our hearts and spirits by ourown freewill choices. That is why God must do it for us.

 

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It does seem to get complex and so hard to understand.  I am not sure it is  all that important unless your understanding makes God something he is not.

I used to have a problem with those who said God would punish people forever in eternal conscious torment, simply because they decided not to follow him. Their belief contradicted a God who i…[Read more]

Cammillia,

I believe that is just a different use of the word will.  It seems to means desire in that sentence and choice when you are speaking of free will.  I cannot be sure as desires and choice are linked.

Hi Kerwin. I have no idea.

Heb-6-4″ in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and h…[Read more]

Just too many of the one color, could cause blurry visions.
Hope you like it. Takes much more time.

Yes, I think your posts look good with the matching avatar 🙂

Wakeup, your posts are very colorful!

The temple of God is the church; us; yes but this is not to the jews.only to Christians.

There’s no mention of “Jews” in 2 Thessalonians 2.

The temple is the body as Paul said….”What, did you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit?” (1Cor 6:19, 1Cor 3:16).

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Hi Wakeup.

You are applying the gospels to Christians and jews. Can not do that.

Why?

.Do not forget what you said previously; You said; at the coming only the Christians will be resurrected;
And the rest destroyed, and will be judged in the second judgement.
This is ignoring many prophesies regarding isreal; and about isreal living in peace with…

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Hi Gene. I think the only times our will is not as free is when we ‘choose’ to do God’s will!

I understand where you are coming from, and fair enough… see your point of view. But for this moment at least, I chose to believe that we have free will, though doing God’s will is something to aim for.

Can not mix up scriptures regarding the jews; and scriptures regarding the followers of Christ.

Wakeup,

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:28)

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Kerwin and camillia……..what ever “CAUSED” YOU to chose God in the first place was from God, he drawed us to JESUS, WE DID NOT CHOSE HIM ON OUR OWN, JUST AS JESUS SAID HE DID, that is why you desire or will to make those choices. If this were not true, then how could God ever predict what a person would do before their berth and exactly what th…

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This can not be, because the son of perdition must be revealed first.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

First things first.

Is the son of perdition an individual being soon to come?

Carmilla…….my dad taught me when you point your finger at some one else lokk down and you will see yoy have three fingers pointing back at you. I think what you have sujested Pierre to try may help him get along better here, i hope so. I hate to see people get discouraged and leave the site. We need to try to all get alone the best we can, we are…

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God does not make my choices for me though  he does know beforehand what I will choose and he puts the choice there for me to make.

Exactly Kerwin.

God knows what choices we will make beforehand. God also knows if we will make it in the end, despite our wrong choices. God can also intervene, imo.

Carmilla……..lets take a real close look at the scripture i posted. What does it say “clearly”?

It says, GOD “WORKS” IN US, “BOTH” TO “WILL” AND DO OF “HIS” GOOD PLEASURE.

Now if God works “in” us to “will” then who i causing our wills to do his good pleasure? Is it not God himself?
Now we also have scripture that says

1John 4:4…. “YE ARE OF GO…

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