DavidL

If you were to be honest as a forum participant you wouldn’t keep dodging my questions, even if you do not want to debate you could still be courteous and answer my questions…they are not difficult.

Is Ephraim the Firstborn of God?

Scripture says, “the Son of God”, not “God the Son”..

Have we ever heard, “the Father of God”?

So there is no ‘God the Son’ nor the ‘Father of God’.

But that is what the Trinity basically teaches.

We already know that it is an extra-biblical doctrine though.

That is brilliant, you are correct you would think if Jesus was God there would def…[Read more]

He submitted to the will of the Father.

Should we not do the same?

Yes, this is Islam submitting to God in peace, The thing is he did submit to God in peace and on this account he was SAVED:

Hebrews 5:7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from…[Read more]

The fact is Nick that Jesus did not come to die for your sins he even said “Not My Will” but most ignore what Jesus actually says

You didn’t answer the question because of the obvious implication….

I agree so you do realize that saying Ephraim is his firstborn is not a literal statement but a term used for preference likewise God has NO SON or Children but God does prefer those that do His will over others who do not, because they are LIKE obedient children

Hi Nick you wrote:

The Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.

Jesus Christ is the firstborn Son of the new creation in the Spirit

You are not assuming these sons or Jesus to be literal sons are you? they are not descendents of God are they? Are they the literal progeny of God?

Kerwin said:

Jesus is Gods chief son which is why his title can be capitalized in English.

When you say Jesus is God’s chief son, you are accepting the fact that none of these sons are “literal” correct?

Leviticus 16:10
But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him and to let him go as a scapegoat into the wilderness.

There is no bloodshed here. You really have to understand the true point of what God wants:

“Rescue me from blood-guilt, O God, God of my s…[Read more]

Is there such thing as bloodless atonement , yes or no?

Kerwin

You are so right the scripture will say: Romans 8:34English Standard Version (ESV)

34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

The disbeliever says no he is God and interceding for himself…..drunk with nonsense

Revelation 3:1…[Read more]

DavidL

Who is the firstborn of God?

Is Ephraim the firstborn of God?

But you said Jesus was a mighty messenger of God.

Are you now saying he lied when he said he was the son of God?

You cannot have it both ways

No, he did not lie, it is a common terminology just as “son of David” “Son of Abraham” “Ephraim is my firstborn”….

Please tell me one thing how could Ephraim be the firstborn of God when he wasn’t…[Read more]

Do you think your study of God and spiritual things will lead you to a safe place where the wrath of God cannot reach?

The more you know the more dangerous your situation becomes.

No excuses

Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to…[Read more]

You may choose to live in confusion.

The messenger lies??

Which messenger and what is the lie?

I will show you how it is really you that has been confused

Which of these are God’s son?

Angels
Jesus
Adam
David
Solomon
Israel
Ephraim

Which are not his son?

If you accept that Jesus Christ is a messenger of God why do you not obey him?

I do, but you seem to believe that Worshiping The Most High God is disobeying God and since I love God with all my heart, mind and soul you condemn me for doing exactly what Jesus taught us to do and those before him also taught us to do.

Can you tell me one just…[Read more]

This is a true saying but it doesn’t contradict a thing I have said

Yes, you are right, Test the spirits when the Spirit of God reveals many go blind to the revelation. The Jews love Moses so they went blind to Jesus and likewise Christians and Jews went blind to Muhammad but the Muslims can see Jesus and Moses clearly and they are Wonderful and Mighty messengers of Allah.

The spirit of God was available to the…[Read more]

You seem to want to know the what and how of the Spirit but: John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it will, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

If you don’t love me and hear me you should consider what it is you actually believe for if you have the S…[Read more]